Here's a question to TD160 owners with TP16 (first one) who've upgraded arms. I think I've decided to upgrade my arm rather than invest in a VPI.
Why upgrade? Several reasons. (1) limited cart selection with respect to the effective mass, (2)TP60 headshell is, to me, a weak link, (3) think there are gains to be made with a better arm.
I guess the contenders I've narrowed to are RB303 (new), some version of the SME, or a Jelco 750.
Has anyone gone down this road and can share comparisons?
My other option, there's a guy on the auction site that sells replacement, upgraded headshells that allow positive azimuth control and are much more rigid. That might be a low-impact way to address some of issues with the TP16.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Neal
I've tickled a few Thorens TT's and find that they never fail to impress. They are a very good honest TT and excellent value for money.
I have upgraded from the standard arms and used the SME3009 and Rega RB250 with upgraded stub and weight.
The results were fantastic, however in recent times the cost of the SME3009's has risen considerably and to be honest I think picking up a secondhand Rega arm and upgrading the stub, counter weight and wiring is a better use of the same money with a much better result.
I have also used the Jelco but on an SP10, and although very good, they are a bit pricey for their performance when comparing to secondhand arms of the same price. I would much prefer a vintage Japanese arm than a new Jelco for that sort of money.
Personally I would mostly buy secondhand arms and so I get much more performance for my money.
It is my recommendation that the one of the best value secondhand arms you can buy is the Grace 707 fitted with a Shure M97xE, a killer combo for the money! The data retrieval of the Grace is superb and they really seem to have been overlooked in recent years. I really hate this saying in hi-fi because everybody says it, but a standard Grace arm punches well above its weight. Yes indeed in my expereince the Grace is superior to the Rega, Jelco and SME3009.
The M97xE is also very suitable with the SME3009 and Rega arms as well, so when it comes to value and flexibility it really is a good performer.
Maybe even consider the humble Linn Basik+ arm? Very good value and still miles ahead of the standard Thorens arm in my experience.
Of course this is just my experience with the 10 or so Thorens that I've owned and pimped.
Upgrading the plinth that's what takes the Thorens to another level!
Cheers
Pete