Can you link the specific Recording engineers who state this - At Gearslutz I read one post where the guys who owns ATC 150 would ONLY part with them IF he moved to a small room where he could see the Amphion Two/18 (and the OP complained the bass was bass shy. And it has more bass than the One/18) would work - but again he's talking about as a recording studio monitor and nowhere did he say the treble was better or that it was a better speaker than his ATC.
Further the people on that forum seem to like the Two/18 but the comment on the One/18 was
"Demoing the One18 right now. I have just ordered a pair of the new Tyler Acoustics Halo 1, so low end should be covered. The Amphion will be more for mid stuff.
I like the way they make me mix.... For mastering... Hmmm... Not really sure. They have a serious midrange honk which is quite nice for mixing drums and vocals, but I don't really find suitable for mastering. They have their strengths, but I would be reluctant to use them as the only pair - the top end is too muffled, and sibilance and transient from the tweeter are a bit burried. So far everything I have done with them sounded pretty good on other speakers, but with sibilance problems."
ok, so here, without ever hearing the amphion pro line, you try to act as if ATC is better then amphion. Furtunetely, many users have a lot to say about amphion vs ATC
you clearly have quoted some of the very few ''negative'' comment about amphion.
.you try to prove your point dishonestly. actually, the guy you quoted in this post, Vilddyr user at gearslutz, had something to say about ATC vs amphion. he BTW, bough the pair of amphion. he like them good enough. actually, the user you quoted was using new one18, the honk is the first time ever someone said that and no review, no other peer ever commented on any honkiness, and clearly its because of break in issue and his pair was problably very new, otherwise why would he have finally still bought the amphion?:
''And The ATC's just does not cut it, I was offered a pair of 150 at not much more than The two18 and turned it down - mixing Music is about engaging the listener, and to pinpoint this feeling while still being accurate is what separate the good from the outstanding speakers. ''
here some quotes about amphion vs atc by different users:
1
''quick conclusion -
- Yes I'm buying a set. (two18's)
- No, My ATC's aren't going anywhere. Love the ATC, deep look into the mids thing.
They both phenomenal speakers yet opposites in tonal balance. Which is why I think I'm going to be very happy with having both in my room..''
2
''The ATC mid dome thing is hard to put into words. Its a unique look into the midrange. If you dig it - there nothing like it and I wouldn't want to work without it. The Amphion sound is by far my favorite two-way though. More traditional sounding in the mids but astonishingly clear and balanced.
Mastering on ATC's most often will show any deficiencies in the mixers speakers right around the crossover points. Basically you will hear what the mixers two-ways didn't show him. The amphion crossover is something special. The drivers really do come together so well the speaker just vanishes. No holes anywhere.
So the answer to your question is -
two18's are warmer 100hz-thru low mids. smoother through the upper mids while the ATC's will be more unforgiving in there.
Low end extension on both ATC 25 and 150's is a bit more linear. I run my 25's with bungies IN so its a sealed box that goes lower than most people realize. ATC is very conservative with their specs.
Comparing the low end extension of the 150's vs two18's is not fair to the two18's. The massive difference in cabinet volume, speaker size not to mention that the ATC "super linear" woofer thing is no BS. That said, the two18's have low extension that is impressive given the size of them. They are more placement dependent give the rear firing passive radiators. In my home studio, placed closer to the wall - they deliver a solid 40hz and roll off quickly by 36hz.
Free standing in my mastering room - far from the back wall - they still give you down to 40hz but lower in volume. If I was to pair them with a sub I'd probably first experiment with crossing them over near 70hz but that's a guess.
Fuzz Measure and lots of hours physically moving them around and then tweaking the crossover point would be some fun for a few days.
All in all, I'm really impressed by the amphion lineup.
I have owned or tried an insane amount of speakers over the years. I've never had a speaker sound so 'right' that it only took a few minutes before I decided to purchase. I usually have a much longer, more tortured process.
My text to Anssi after I set them up was - "took all of 5 minutes, Buying them".''
3
''
I have two18's next to my ATC 150's.
The two 18's extend to the lower 40's but its not a big box so its not a big energy 45hz.
Been toying with a sub for them and they pair great with one.
Definitely getting the bass units when they arrive though.
The beauty of the two 18's is phase accuracy and just balance. Wonderful speaker.
I LOVE my 150's but if I was ever to move to a room that couldn't handle a large speaker, I could happily work with two18's. Very happily at that.
''
4
''I am not sure what you are trying to say here but I have owned or used everything over the last 20 years and the Amphions are special speakers. I think they smoke the Barefoots and ATC's both of which I spent a
lot of time Mixing on. ''
''That is simply not true. Sorry, but I have auditioned almost every model in the ATC line, and eventually gave up on them, because of the utter lack of engaging low-end. They do not provide more detail than the Amphions. Different yes, more, no. While i appreciate the ATC mid being able to cover 380-3500hz, making them a midrange monster, the amphion tweeters cross at 1600 which has its own equally as valid advantages - and to me a clear winner in the hf reproduction, which has always been the ATC no. 1. problem, poor interaction between the mid dome and their tweeters.
''
5
'' the studio I work at has ATC200's and although different to the Amphions, I don't find the Amphions are any lesser of a speaker - and in fact I much prefer mixing on the Amphions''
6
''I never fell in love with the ATC's so it is just a personal preference.
I felt they were clinical and made me a little crazy to mix on although
the midrange is amazing.
When I heard the Amphion's I could hear very quickly what needed addressed
in the mix without all of the elements being deconstructed down to the molecular
level. ''
7
''If we directly compare the ATC SCM25 and Amphion Two18 I noticed the imaging, separation and depth to be more focused, balanced and accurate on the Amphions. This affects the entire experience of the speaker and should not go unnoticed. Like the NS-10 , Auratones or Spiral grooves the ATC has many qualities to offer that wins over the contender but it only covers a certain portion of the engineers need in my opinion. For referencing that particular task this is brilliant but I believe having a phase accurate speaker in addition to the ATC would help you get better balance especially in the depth of field portion of the mix. ''
8
''
ATC's give a window in the mix like few others. I can't live without it.
I was looking for a two-way secondary reference and could not be happier with two18's.
(the pic on the amphion facebook page with ATC 150's and two18's side by side is my room).
I think the pairing of atc AND amphions is the best complimentary monitor sets I've come across in my 20+ year at this.
Each is a ridiculously good speaker with its own presentation.
The talk about phase with amphion isn't hype. It's pretty special. very balanced speakers.
ATC 25's plus two18's or bigger ATC's and one18's. Killer. Not an ounce of doubt about your mix with those combo's.
I'd also hate to see Amphion suffer the gearslutz hype cycle. They are one of the most useful tools to come along in a while.
A truly wonderful monitor''
9
''You can't go wrong with ATC. With that being said, I heard the Amphions in person two days ago and was impressed. I'd love to hear them side by side. ''
10
''(I also use ATC 200's everyday so I know the ATC sound well. For me, I prefer the Amphion Two18's...obviously not as 'big' or 'loud', but the Amphions just make more musical sense to my ears).''
11
''amphion are wonderful to just listen to the music. i understand its a hifi company/where they come from. my set needed quite a long time to break in. they sound cool in the highs - not hyped or something. midrange is really nice and shows things but not as detailed as atc. bass is tight but also goes down quite deep for their size.
barefoot 45 are maybe not the best for the one and only monitor of the three (for my taste!!) but wonderful in combination with amphion - they both connect very very well.''
I could go on and on. NOTHING and NOBODY clearly says that ATC is better then Amphion. many actually find amphion superior.
so, seriously RGA, your opinion is to be taken as dishonest. how can you have a opinion about a speaker you never heard. unprofessional.
you have a lot to say, lot of it is bullshit.
