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Did Kenwood have a good reputation...

Earlsays

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I know, I know "if you like it and it sounds good that's all that matters"

Yes, I do, and it does.

I am speaking of my Kenwood KM-207 amp and KC-207 preamp

There is other gear in the system, from the same series, but this is all I am focusing on...

My question is this, Did Kenwood have a good reputation in the 80s? This stuff is reasonably powerful, and sounds quite good to me...so what was the general concensus back then on Kenwood's gear? The other end of it, is that I have a Kenwood KR-V5570 running tunes off my computer, and while it works, it isn't really great, and has a real BPC feel to it, while the other kenwood stuff, while not as robust as nicer 70s gear, has a feel to it which is worlds better....so anyway, what was their reputation like in the 80s and 90s?

I noticed that Kenwood doesn't even make anything other than car audio (at least in this country) these days, but they appear to have built home audio/theatre stuff as recent as a couple years ago....so, opinions?
 
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I absolutely loved Kenwood gear growing up, and managed to piece together an all-Kenwood system in the late 80s/early 90s.

I worked for a couple of dealers that sold Kenwood from 1994-2000, and then worked for Kenwood while they were making their last push in higher performance home audio gear (through 2003) so I've got some perspective on this one:

Kenwood in the 60s and 70s: solid, but not as well regarded as Sansui and Pioneer...not a huge surprise, cos as pretty as the big Kennys were back then, there's just something about a Pioneer SX-1250. A definite exception here were the Supreme series, and the big integrateds and tuners (KA-9100, KT-8300) which were as good as anything being built. Most of the better 70s stuff is still around, and our own EW mentions in one of his posts that eBay practically runs on used KA-7100s...so true

Kenwood in the 80s: complete redesign of the line-up, and some of the most impressive high-end gear to come out of Japan. Technologies like "Sigma Drive" and the "Pulse Count Detector" tuner circuitry are introduced and result in some truly amazing sounding gear. All the L-series equipment is amazing, although it didn't sell very well in the states...talking to old colleagues, Kenwood darn near went out of business when the L-07CII was out there...mid 80s. After that, they started on their real kick towards costing down: the KA-907, KA-801 etc were replaced by the "Non Magnetic Chassis" (read: plastic) KA-1000, KA-900. This went for tuners as well, with the new TOTL (non L-series tuner) being the plastic-sided chassis KT-1000. Nice sounding gear, but it just didn't feel like the solid old stuff. Owning both series, I can tell you it hasn't held up as well either. Towards the end of the 80s, the color schemed switched from silver to black, and Kenwood built some great flagship 2-channel gear. The KA-3300D, KT-3300, and DP-3300 made a great impression, and even Stereophile gave the FM-only tuner kudos for its performance. The "Basic" series also bowed, offering a nice separates-based system at very reasonable prices. (Some AK members love the C-2 preamp to this day)

The low end 80s gear wasn't very good. You can see how cheesy the old KA-31, KA-50, etc looked...cheap chassis, small power supplies...the standard down-market stereo gear. The market was FLOODED with this stuff, and that started to negatively impact the brand's reputation.

Kenwood in the 90s: With the exception of the L-1000 series in the mid-90s, there wasn't a lot of drool-worthy gear coming out of Kenwood's factories. Most of their R&D money was going into either "Home Theater" gear or Car Stereo. That said, the amplifier sections on some of their better AVRs was excellent. Take a listen to a KR-X1000, or KR-V990D and you'll hear what I'm talking about. All discrete-transistors amplifier, with beefy power supplies. Quite good.

There was a real dark side though. Kenwood started to sell a lot of down-market separates based rack systems into the big chain stores. All those KC-207s and KM-992s you see on the auction sites are old parted-out rack systems. While these offered a MUCH higher level of performance than most of the single-brand systems at the time, they still negatively impacted the brand's image...who's going to buy a $1500 tuner from a company that makes a $99 receiver? Retailers never supported Kenwood's higher end 2-channel gear in the 90s (with the exception of the Kenwood "Basic" series which might have carried from the late 80s into the early 90s) so the L-1000 series never really took off.

The A/V receivers on the other hand did gang-buster business, and Kenwood was first to market with a lot of cool features...first with dts in an affordable receiver ($399 VR-209) first with video format conversion, first with THX certification (KR-X1000 receiver, and KC-X1 KM-X1 separates) all the while keeping some great sounding amplifier sections in their best gear...most based around Kenwood's own output transistor (had the thermal sensor built right into the transistor's body...call TRAIT, K-STAT, or TRAIT-R depending on your market)

As a side-note, Kenwood also worked with Foster (a huge driver company) to produce a very good sounding THX-certified speakers system in the mid 90s.

One of the most dissapointing near-successes was the Stage 3 line...the KC-Z1 surround preamp and KM-Z1 6 channel amplifier are IMO drop-dead gorgeous, and the system sounded great. Unfortunately, a proprietary remote control, and a lack of digital and video connectivity resulted in a fairly short lifespan...

Most of the cheap AVRs from this period are pretty junky, as are most of the rack system tuners, CDPs, and Cassette decks...in short, their best was still quite good, but their worst was very pedestrian

Kenwood in the 2000s: The last push in to the North American Home Audio market. The big AVRs were awesome. The VR-4900 was highly reviewed by Stereophile, and it's updated replacement (with all the new surround formats and HD compatible video switching) the VR5900 was just as wonderful. Still a couple of the best sounding AVRs of all time. Retailers REFUSED to support a 5-channel receiver with an outboard amp for the 6th and 7th channels (and who really sets up the (Surround Back speakers?) however, and the brand quickly lost out to Denon, and Onkyo in the surround receiver race.

Other interesting technologies were tried, including Entre, the first real integrated music server (with Internet radio, and management of compatble CD and DVD changers) a great sounding stand-alone Sirius tuner, Faroudja-based DVD players (all the way down to $350) but none were widely supported. Kenwood showed a pretty pedestrian home audio assortment in 2003 (a couple of nice machines at the $500/level but nothing monumental) and Japan pulled back development $$ shortly thereafter to concentrate on the compact stereo, communications, and car stereo market.

...more to come if I ever get my damn Kenwood "fansite" up and running
 
I have a KM-106 and KC-106 and I love this set. Not high end or anything but it sounds good. Way better than my Technics integrated.
 
Kenwood quality

I can only speak as to the 70s, but when I was behind the sales counter, I sold a LOT of Kenwood Receivers.

They were very competitive with Pioneer (our #1 seller) and I felt that the quality was comparable. I could actually sell the Kenwood (in a system) at a little better price than the Pioneer. For a while, the Pioneer was a Fair Trade item and the dealer was not allowed to discount the price. Of course, if it was in a system, you could discount because the sales ticket would show only a total price for the system.

We used to buy the Kenwoods at a little better price than Pioneer, since we were the #2 volume retailer of HiFi gear at the time. We used to get a good discount on the Kenwood that we didn't get on the Pioneer.

My personal choice was the Pioneer, but I always felt good about selling either one. I never had a customer that bought a Kenwood come back later and say he wished he had bought a Pioneer. Of course, the reverse was true as well. Both Pioneer and Kenwood made for satisfied customers! :yes:

Enjoy your Kenny! :thmbsp:
 
I absolutely loved Kenwood gear growing up, and managed to piece together an all-Kenwood system in the late 80s/early 90s.

I worked for a couple of dealers that sold Kenwood from 1994-2000, and then worked for Kenwood while they were making their last push in higher performance home audio gear (through 2003) so I've got some perspective on this one:

Kenwood in the 60s and 70s: solid, but not as well regarded as Sansui and Pioneer...not a huge surprise, cos as pretty as the big Kennys were back then, there's just something about a Pioneer SX-1250. A definite exception here were the Supreme series, and the big integrateds and tuners (KA-9100, KT-8300) which were as good as anything being built. Most of the better 70s stuff is still around, and our own EW mentions in one of his posts that eBay practically runs on used KA-7100s...so true

Kenwood in the 80s: complete redesign of the line-up, and some of the most impressive high-end gear to come out of Japan. Technologies like "Sigma Drive" and the "Pulse Count Detector" tuner circuitry are introduced and result in some truly amazing sounding gear. All the L-series equipment is amazing, although it didn't sell very well in the states...talking to old colleagues, Kenwood darn near went out of business when the L-07CII was out there...mid 80s. After that, they started on their real kick towards costing down: the KA-907, KA-801 etc were replaced by the "Non Magnetic Chassis" (read: plastic) KA-1000, KA-900. This went for tuners as well, with the new TOTL (non L-series tuner) being the plastic-sided chassis KT-1000. Nice sounding gear, but it just didn't feel like the solid old stuff. Owning both series, I can tell you it hasn't held up as well either. Towards the end of the 80s, the color schemed switched from silver to black, and Kenwood built some great flagship 2-channel gear. The KA-3300D, KT-3300, and DP-3300 made a great impression, and even Stereophile gave the FM-only tuner kudos for its performance. The "Basic" series also bowed, offering a nice separates-based system at very reasonable prices. (Some AK members love the C-2 preamp to this day)

The low end 80s gear wasn't very good. You can see how cheesy the old KA-31, KA-50, etc looked...cheap chassis, small power supplies...the standard down-market stereo gear. The market was FLOODED with this stuff, and that started to negatively impact the brand's reputation.

Kenwood in the 90s: With the exception of the L-1000 series in the mid-90s, there wasn't a lot of drool-worthy gear coming out of Kenwood's factories. Most of their R&D money was going into either "Home Theater" gear or Car Stereo. That said, the amplifier sections on some of their better AVRs was excellent. Take a listen to a KR-X1000, or KR-V990D and you'll hear what I'm talking about. All discrete-transistors amplifier, with beefy power supplies. Quite good.

There was a real dark side though. Kenwood started to sell a lot of down-market separates based rack systems into the big chain stores. All those KC-207s and KM-992s you see on the auction sites are old parted-out rack systems. While these offered a MUCH higher level of performance than most of the single-brand systems at the time, they still negatively impacted the brand's image...who's going to buy a $1500 tuner from a company that makes a $99 receiver? Retailers never supported Kenwood's higher end 2-channel gear in the 90s (with the exception of the Kenwood "Basic" series which might have carried from the late 80s into the early 90s) so the L-1000 series never really took off.

The A/V receivers on the other hand did gang-buster business, and Kenwood was first to market with a lot of cool features...first with dts in an affordable receiver ($399 VR-209) first with video format conversion, first with THX certification (KR-X1000 receiver, and KC-X1 KM-X1 separates) all the while keeping some great sounding amplifier sections in their best gear...most based around Kenwood's own output transistor (had the thermal sensor built right into the transistor's body...call TRAIT, K-STAT, or TRAIT-R depending on your market)

As a side-note, Kenwood also worked with Foster (a huge driver company) to produce a very good sounding THX-certified speakers system in the mid 90s.

One of the most dissapointing near-successes was the Stage 3 line...the KC-Z1 surround preamp and KM-Z1 6 channel amplifier are IMO drop-dead gorgeous, and the system sounded great. Unfortunately, a proprietary remote control, and a lack of digital and video connectivity resulted in a fairly short lifespan...

Most of the cheap AVRs from this period are pretty junky, as are most of the rack system tuners, CDPs, and Cassette decks...in short, their best was still quite good, but their worst was very pedestrian

Kenwood in the 2000s: The last push in to the North American Home Audio market. The big AVRs were awesome. The VR-4900 was highly reviewed by Stereophile, and it's updated replacement (with all the new surround formats and HD compatible video switching) the VR5900 was just as wonderful. Still a couple of the best sounding AVRs of all time. Retailers REFUSED to support a 5-channel receiver with an outboard amp for the 6th and 7th channels (and who really sets up the (Surround Back speakers?) however, and the brand quickly lost out to Denon, and Onkyo in the surround receiver race.

Other interesting technologies were tried, including Entre, the first real integrated music server (with Internet radio, and management of compatble CD and DVD changers) a great sounding stand-alone Sirius tuner, Faroudja-based DVD players (all the way down to $350) but none were widely supported. Kenwood showed a pretty pedestrian home audio assortment in 2003 (a couple of nice machines at the $500/level but nothing monumental) and Japan pulled back development $$ shortly thereafter to concentrate on the compact stereo, communications, and car stereo market.

...more to come if I ever get my damn Kenwood "fansite" up and running

Just have say that was very well done and enjoyable to read. Also GI's in the 1970's thought highly of the Kenwood brand.
 
Redcoates, that was very good. The only thing I would add is that some of the more expensive CD players in the 90s had a very good reputation according to some of the UK stereo magazines I've read.
Tom
 
REDCOATES:

Thanks for the info! My setup is one of those old uh..."big box store rack systems" Matter of fact, an old circuit city ad on youtube shows my preamp in the beginning of the ad....


As for this thread, after reading through it, I don't think there was much (if anything) wrong with that preamp...it's not in protection mode, that little thing that says "remote" is just an indicator on the display that a remote signal is being received by the unit...there is a red light within the box under the word "remote" that flashes when a signal is received...anyway....thanks for that reply, that was EXACTLY the insight I wanted...food chain stuff :)
 
Redcoates, that was very good. The only thing I would add is that some of the more expensive CD players in the 90s had a very good reputation according to some of the UK stereo magazines I've read.
Tom

Excellent point...unfortunately, they were VERY difficult to get through the US (only folks i know who owned them bought them on base at a PX)

The DP-7020 is my daily driver at home (until I can score an L-series machine), and a souped-up transport only version (DP-X9010) was extremely popular in the UK in the mid 90s...
 
Sure did!

Sold tons of it in the 70s. Nice stuff. Always liked Kenwood. Never let me down:thmbsp: Love to get my hands on one of their marble base turntables. Really cool lookiing:smoke:

Eric:music:
 
I have a KM-106 that I pulled off eBay with a KC-1205 pre-amp. I immediately denounced the pre-amp as cheap crap but the amp represents another huge upgrade in sound, there a decent review of it by a decent vintage shop, very much underated. I was so impressed that I ended up buying a KM-205 today when the chance came. I'm still trying to decide what to do with the pre-amp, you can dent the cover with your finder it's so flimsy.
 
right... there is nothing wrong with the preamp... except the lack of its remote control :-)

I keep it, out in the garage, in case I stumble upon a remote for it at the dump sometime (it could happen).
 
KC-207 remote

right... there is nothing wrong with the preamp... except the lack of its remote control :-)

I keep it, out in the garage, in case I stumble upon a remote for it at the dump sometime (it could happen).

A Radio Shack 5-in-One Remote (e.g., No. 15-2103 code 0027 or 1027) works for the KC-207 volume and power.
 
During the '70s our store sold just as much Kenwood as any other brand we had including Pioneer, SONY and Marantz. The 7000 series and 8000 series were pretty much bullet proof and had great performance. And don't forget the turntables, especially the 500, 600, 700 series. Serious tanks that still spin today.
 
I have a Kenwood TK-66 receiver that's from the sixties. I know you were interested in 80's gear but I have to say I love this receiver. I'm running it in a bedroom system with a pair of EV-7's. Very nice.
 
Redcoats has it down. From a technician's standpoint, the L-series was the equal to anything out there at the time, and even when new was a bargain. The L-07C (and mk. II version as well) were easily among the most sophisticated designs of their time (and this was from the era when many of the Japanese firms were doing their best to out-do each other).

It's said that some of the early L-series were actually built and/or designed by Accuphase, and, seeing and hearing the results, I can believe it. And, if you're not familiar with the Accuphase brand (why does it have to have such a white-van sounding name!?), they're the only company that I know of that has managed to out-McIntosh McIntosh (in terms of utter seductive, lust-inducing beauty).
 
I had a Kenwood KA 5000, KA 6100, KR 7600 and still have a Kenwood KR-6600. I also have a Pioneer SX-780 and Sony STR 6055. They all sound excellent with the SX-780 sounding just a tad better, but the tuner on the SX-780 went, while the Sony and Kenwood are still cooking along on all cylinders. I think they are all very good, it really depends on your choice. I'm sure the Marantz is in the same ballpark.
 
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