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CT-F1000 Pinch Roller Replacement

Doctor B.

Coping with SPOD
I knew from day one that my new 29 year old CT-F1000 would need a set of pinch rollers. The old ones were hard and shiny. Cleaning and sandpapering only made them smaller and didn’t significantly increase the traction especially on the take-up side. The spring for that roller was at maximum tension and the roller was at the top of its range of travel when the transport was engaged. On thin tapes, it was slipping. Disaster struck when a rare tape that I found at the GW for 50¢ got mangled as I was cleaning it hoping to get it to stop slipping in the tape player.

Searching for pinch rollers for the CT-F1000, I found that they are made of “unobtainium.” The Pioneer parts web site showed them as no longer available. There is an AK member who rebuilds rollers and I imagine he does good work, but that would cost me $75.00 for the set of two.

I found that MCM sells pinch rollers (www.mcminone.com - no association), but the closest size they have is 10x6x1.5mm. The CT takes 10x6mm rollers, but the pinch roller shaft is thicker than 1.5mm. I figured that for 83¢ apiece I could figure something out. One option was to try drilling out the nylon hub so that it would fit the shaft on the pinch roller assembly. If I had a good drill press with a fine set of blocks for small work, that would have been the first thing I would have tried.

I noticed that the original pinch rollers are fixed to a brass ring and a brass hub is pressed into the center of the ring. The original brass hub is slightly larger than the nylon hub in the new pinch rollers from MCM. (Please pardon me for not giving exact measurements - no micrometer at hand.) Using a vice, it was easy work to press out the brass hubs from the old rollers and then to slip them into the new rollers. Because the brass hubs are slightly larger than the nylon ones, I am not too worried about the rubber moving out of place when the rollers are operating under pressure. Perhaps a drop of superglue would make them more secure, but I didn’t try that.

When I reassembled the left pinch roller assembly, I found that the slight increase in the new roller’s size made it rub against the plastic tape guide. Removing the tape guide and placing two strips of paper under it and screwing it back to the assembly gave enough clearance around the roller and it could move freely.

I put everything back together and put in a test tape to align the azmuth. The test tones sound pretty solid to my ears. I don’t know how to make precise measurements for wow and flutter (though I am interested in learning). For the moment, I like what I am hearing and the deck is playing tapes consistently well. I am keeping my eye on the rollers to see whether they “creep” on the hubs. If so, I’ll try a drop of glue. So far, they are staying in place. Time will tell whether this is a good permanent fix. I’ll post my results after a few months of use.

$1.66 plus shipping is my kind of repair. :music:

The attached pics show 1) left: original CT-F1000 pinch roller, right: 42-3255 pinch roller from MCM, 2) left: original roller with the hub pushed part of the way out, right: roller with no hub, 3) left: original roller with no hub, center: new roller with nylon hub removed, right: new roller with original brass hub installed.

If anyone has the Additional Service Manual for the CT-F1000, I sure would appreciate a scanned copy. I'd like to make sure the playback equalizer and flat amp are adjusted correctly. I don't plan to record, just listen.
 

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Interesting piece - thanks. I had my C-1 pinch rollers replicated by Terry Witt at http://www.terrysrubberrollers.com/
Terry does a fantastic job - you just send your roller (on its hub), model of deck and he'll send back pristine rollers to exact size specs. He also does reel to reels and record deck rollers...great service, friendly and fast - perfect if you can't get the right size replacement online elsewhere.
 
So far, so good with the 83¢ rollers, no creeping in one direction or the other.

Thanks for the suggestion of asking wjoe for a discount, I'll ask the next time I order something from him. The FF/RW pulley I got from him works well.

So, Tapehead Son of Zod, what did you do with the old 1000?
 
Just by chance, does anyone know if this pinch roller size from MCM will work on the Pioneer CT-F800 and CT-F900 series?
 
I took a look at the exploded view in the CT-F900 service manual and the pinch roller arms and pinch rollers look like they are the same as the CT-F1000. Both of these service manuals are available here on AK. These two were made in the same year, as I recall, and I remember people saying that parts of them were similar, particularly in the tape transport.

For $1.66 plus shipping, it may be worth a try.
 
So, Tapehead Son of Zod, what did you do with the old 1000?

I still have it in storage. Looking really rough, though. I thought the bag I had it in was sealed, but the Florida moisture took a toll. And spiders.

Way back when I tried to fix it myself and pulled the main motor out, all the belts, etc. Never got around to fixing it and probably lost some of the parts. If I only knew then what I've learned from AK!

I'm saving it incase I run across another one someday! Might be useful for rare parts.

I think I bought it used for around $300 back in the 80's.

Just last Friday I bought a Nakamichi BX300 for $30.00! The 1000 looked much better but the Nak is a great deck for my present purposes. The Pioneer remains my favorite deck in my audio history.

Rick
 
Rick,

I've seen "hurt" 1000s go for pretty cheap on ebay. I'm tempted to pick up a couple with problems and see if I can get one working. I can't get into that, though, until I've gotten rid of some other useless stuff that's been sitting in the garage too long.
 
Sorry for the resurrection of a 3-year-old thread, but I think my CT-F1000 pinch rollers are giving up the ghost (well...it's eating tape). After reconditioning the rollers, I thought I'd as least get another year or two out of 'em, but it's appetite for Maxell is proving me wrong. Any update on this cost-effective approach or is Terry's Rollers going to be getting a call?
 
Any why is this discussion in the Turntable forum. Shouldn't this be in the Tape or Pioneer forum?
 
Way back in when this thread was started the turntable and tape forums were one. As for your actual question, my bet is Terry.
 
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