• The move to the new server is done. There are some software and database maintenance updates in process. This has us passing the hat around to help out. We appreciate any donations. Seriously, even a dollar helps. The payment page may be found here - https://www.audiokarma.org/support.html

Shootout: AT-PL120 vs. SL-1200MK2

beatcomber

AK Member
My new Technics SL-1200MK2 arrived yesterday. Without even bothering to do direct A/B comparisons with my Audio Technica AT-PL120, I can safely say the 1200 absolutely smokes the AT. Of course, the 1200 is more than twice the price of the AT, so this should be no surprise.

Some quick observations:
* The 1200's chassis is extremely well damped. While the AT is very sensitive to external vibrations, you can actually tap the top of the 1200 and not hear it.
* The platter on the AT has a pronounced rinnngggg when you flick your finger on it. The 1200 is damped with rubber on both sides. (I would think that one could easily devise their own method of dampening the AT's platter, maybe with some sort of putty?)
* The 1200 just sounds richer. With my AT440MLa cartridge, I was able to dial in the perfect tonal balance. The AT-PL120 tends to lean towards the treble end, with weaker mids and bass.
* The rubber mat supplied with the 1200 is nice and rigid, and is about 1/4" thick; pretty substantial. As a result, bass is very punchy, and it serves to further dampen the platter from vibrations. The AT's supplied felt mat works against getting the same tight bass. (I was able to fix this by using a homemade cork mat on my AT-PL120.)

On the flipside, the AT-PL120 has some features not found on the SL-1200MK2 (some of which may be on some of the more expensive Technics tables).

* The AT has three speeds, so you can play 78s on it. I plan on having KAB modify my 1200 at some point to include 78 speed, at a cost of $175 + shipping (ouch!).
* The AT will play in reverse, so you can listen for satanic messages in "Stairway to Heaven."
* The AT has a recepticle for extra headshells. Only some of the more expensive Technics have this feature.
* The AT has a defeatable phono preamp built in. (Unfortunately, the preamp isn't very good.)

I don't intend this post to be a slam on the AT-PL120; on the contrary, for $150-$200 it is an excellent starter table packed with features. Mine has served me well for the past three years. But looks can be deceiving. Don't expect that it will perform like an SL-1200 just because it looks like an SL-1200. The "Wheel of Steel" is still king.
 
Register to hide this ad
Hmmm, that answers some questions I've had about the AT. I ALMOST pulled the trigger and picked one up. Got a used SL-1700 instead.
 
There is absolutely no comparison. The SL-1200 is hands-down far superior. I have both the PL120 and the SL-1200, and the SL-1200 is better in every respect. The Technics is a much more substantial workhorse of a turntable. Also remember that Technics has been making the SL-1200 model since 1972. You put an old 1200 next to a new 1200 and they will look almost the same. As Hyacinth Bucket (pronounced "Bouquet") would say:....."why tamper with a winning system?"

I'm not dissing the PL120. It's a good table in its own right, but it can't touch the SL-1200.

I currently use the PL120 in my living room......but I use the SL-1200 in my bedroom system! And with an SME headshell and Denon DL-103 MC cartridge, SWEET SWEET MUSIC!!!
 
I was considering the AT. I wonder if a good DIY'er could get it to perform close to the Technics in listening performance? I really could care less about DJ performance...
 
Don't forget the big 3
1600MKII
1700MKII
and
1800MKII
I'd love to hear a comparison of one of these 3 vs a 1200MKII
Once you get the suspension tuned just rite those tables sound wonderful.
 
Like the write up and agree with all said. Right on and deadly true.

I run the crap out of my AT PL120, but it ain't no darn wonder machine. It is maybe the best "used vinyl preview table" out there. It is dirt cheap for the performance and features.

Rock steady for speed. The stock mat flipped over so it's soft side up is just right for old shellac 78's. The arm works as it should and has decent bearings in the gimbal. The speed range is 10 or 20% selectable so you can really fool with old recordings :)

It is a bit thin on bass and use of the built in Phono section is not advisable. A home made composite cork and leather mat or other good dense dampened mat will fix most of the bass definition issues. Has adjustable arm height which is good for tweaking and experimenting with cartridge tuning.

Like all AT products - it's a trade of "value" for $$. I'm quite sure they have the engineering talent and knowledge to build a superior table if they wanted to, but that's not their target market. You want a 1200, go get one (or a Clear Adio, or Thorens, etc.) :)

I have 5 other tables including a Dual, B&O, JVC, etc. But the little 120 gets a lot of work doing first round LP test plays and 78 spins. And with two or three headshell/cartridge swaps a day as I test cartridge/LP matches, I'd rather wear this one out than one of the old beauties that I can't easily fix the arm on :)
 
"Don't forget the big 3
1600MKII
1700MKII
and
1800MKII"
Where does the 1500MKII fit in relating to the big three?

The 1300/1400/1500 MkII series tables have an issue with a cuing system that easily breaks and is difficult to repair. Other than that, they are fine turntables.
 
Don't forget the big 3
1600MKII
1700MKII
and
1800MKII
I'd love to hear a comparison of one of these 3 vs a 1200MKII
Once you get the suspension tuned just rite those tables sound wonderful.

How did you tune in the suspension on yours, and how would you describe the improvements? I've got an SL-1610Mk2 and SL-1700Mk2, but never tried tuning them, as the bounce seemed fine to me.

I've also got a couple of SL-12X0Mk2's and an SL-120Mk2, and eventhough I haven't done any A/B comparisons, my impression is that the suspended versions are a tad livelier than the 1200-series.
 
The printed side does not sound as good.

What is the benefit of flipping over the mat?

I've tried playing LPs and 78's both ways and like the results of the soft side better for both. The printed side on mine is stiff and the 78's don't lay as flat.
 
The 1300/1400/1500 MkII series tables have an issue with a cuing system that easily breaks and is difficult to repair. Other than that, they are fine turntables.

True but at least with the 1500MKII you can swap arms easily and then your back in business.
 
How did you tune in the suspension on yours, and how would you describe the improvements? I've got an SL-1610Mk2 and SL-1700Mk2, but never tried tuning them, as the bounce seemed fine to me.

I've also got a couple of SL-12X0Mk2's and an SL-120Mk2, and eventhough I haven't done any A/B comparisons, my impression is that the suspended versions are a tad livelier than the 1200-series.

How hi does your platter sit. One thing a lot of people forget is to take out the transport screws on the 1600n 1700 and 1800MKII I know i did once. Send me a PM and I'll send you some pics and info. I don't have them on hand at the moment.
 
Funny you should say that .... Yes my cueing is defunct. Everything else is perfect. Any suggestions for a good arm and are there any tutorials on how to do it?
 
Funny you should say that .... Yes my cueing is defunct. Everything else is perfect. Any suggestions for a good arm and are there any tutorials on how to do it?

Some people bought those as the SL150MKII and installed a SME arm. I'd say an SME or maybe try one of the Jelco arms. I've often wondered would a complete 1200 series arm drop in that opening, but I bet do to the difference in the bottoms on those (the1500MKII) that it wouldn't work.
 
Funny you should say that .... Yes my cueing is defunct. Everything else is perfect. Any suggestions for a good arm and are there any tutorials on how to do it?
Some people bought those as the SL150MKII and installed a SME arm. I'd say an SME or maybe try one of the Jelco arms. I've often wondered would a complete 1200 series arm drop in that opening, but I bet do to the difference in the bottoms on those (the1500MKII) that it wouldn't work.

The SL-120Mk2 (armless SL-1200Mk2) was specifically intended for SME 3009's, so that's a pretty safe choice. I believe the SL-150Mk2's came with the same armboard, plus an uncut one in rosewood. Soundsupports (sells on UK eBay) makes aluminium armboards cut for Rega and SME arms, designed for the SL-1500Mk2.
 
I've exchanged some e-mails with Soundsupports, and from what I can remember, there's a 2mm's difference in diameter.
 
* The AT will play in reverse, so you can listen for satanic messages in "Stairway to Heaven."


:D :D

Bumping because I listened to a PL(not LP)120 this morning in a pawnshop. I damn sure do NOT need another TT but for his lowest price of 100.00 I am tempted.
 
Back
Top Bottom