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What is it about White Van Speakers that tricks people?

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Vistance

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I check my local Craigslist every day and it seems more and more frequent the amount of Genesis Media Labs (Van Scam crap - not the good stuff acourse), DiVinci's, and Theater Research systems that are appearing. Most of them are still sealed in the boxes so it's obvious the sellers are just trying to con people. I mean, the fact an MSRP is printed on the box itself is so fishy - I'm amazed people fall for it. There are a lot of signs I would think are give aways to low quality knock offs - my favorite are the made up specs. I like how the Genesis Media Labs website is a useless front that provides no information - you can't locate stores and there is no contact info or anything. I would think any wise person would notice this as suspicious and avoid them. Yet as I browse local thrift stores and pawn shops I see more and more of these white van speakers, and sadly the pawn shops that take this junk in ask a high price for it - presumably because they paid a somewhat high price for it in the first place.

What is it that tricks people into buying these things? Are they really that well convinced by the seller? I'm really curious about the people who buy them off say Craigslist and aren't approached unsolicited - they choose to buy them of their own choice, and they're usually not cheap. Do people not do any research when buying somewhat pricey equipment? You don't have to be an audiophile to at least do some research beforehand which would save them the trouble of getting stuck with junk. I saw for sale on Craigslist once a pair of Canadian speakers - I want to say like PSB but I know it wasn't. They're a defunct company now, but it was something short like that. Anyway, the guy had the box for them and when I looked at the box it had printed right on the box "Audiophile grade high quality speakers!" Perhaps they were good, but you know what I mean - what speaker company has to tell you they are audiophile grade speakers? To pull a company out of air - it would be like Thiel or Martin Logan saying something like that. Doesn't their reputation kinda precede them? You wouldn't need a brochure to tell you a Bentley or Maybach is a lavishly luxurious car, it would just list the ridiculous features because they know you already know they're nice and just need to know how nice (Like room for four bottles of wine in the backseat cooler instead of the single bottle of wine cooler in the competitor's car).

The strangest one I've heard - a friend of mine says he bought one of those cheap white van speaker sets and he actually likes it. Erm...how can anyone like white van speakers? Really bad ears? The worst I've seen was a guy with white van speakers who had a pretty nice setup including a H/K receiver, Denon DVD player, nice TV of some sort - I'm just not sure how one picks nice equipment and then gets tricked into junk speakers. Could you imagine someone with McIntosh equipment using white van speakers? Is that even possible?

I just thought it was interesting and somewhat confusing that this still occurs. Thoughts?
 
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Greed. They think they are buying quality stolen merchandise at a bargain price. The van guys usually tell their suckers that the person who loaded the van put an extra pair in the van and rather than return them, they will let them go for "cheap".
 
I dont know why we care what anyone else buys, if they like it then God bless, simple fact is its peoples own greed that leads them to buy these speakers, they see a price and see the actual sale price and the greed kicks in with the feeling of getting something cheap controlling their thought process. I have a pair of $11000 speakers, another at $8000 and have a pair for Liz that are white van that a friend gave her but he changed drivers, added a rear tweeter, braced and damped them.
Some hear sound in more critical ways and some dont, for those these speakers often sound fine to them and look nice in general so they so see a value in them, and for the most part it is a crime with no real victim becaue they dont feel robbed, so who are we to argue? The same type person that buys these is the same type that assumes an outlet mall is an across the board great deal when infact only a fraction is with some products even costing more, its a captive hunt and if folks just assume a "sale" always means sometihng then they deserve what they get.
Cars is another point to be taken, these dealers that say $3000 minimum trade are marketing to idiots and simply buying inflated priced cars.......but its a "sale"
 
people that know little about sound often think big / tall speakers , more individual speakers in the cabinet ( Ultra high posted wattage , Kevlar , clear poly . water cooled ) these type attributes are the ****...
 
I think people honestly believe their gov't would not allow the claimed specifications to be lies. Truth in advertising and all that.

Add a little greed, a little ignorance, something shiny and a large number of people will go for it. It's the Wal-Mart shopping mentality.

But don't think for a second that a pawn shop fell for it. Pawn shops are in the business to know what they buy and if they are selling them, they know exactly what they are.
 
my o'lady would buy them . "what a great deal...they're HUGE!" she wouldn't know
good sound if it hit her in the head . i'm plagued with "that doesn't sound as good...
there's no bass" (me turning off the surround sound **** / turning off the loudness
button when listening to music in STEREO ! on the living room HT ) luckily , my
Sony receiver is so complicated , and its remote has so many buttons and functions
(about 200...) that she can't change the settings back without me .

i'm hoping that someday she'll see the light and say " you're right , those .....
(missions , TF-250s , snells) sound much better without all that processor crap "

but it hasn't happened yet.

my point is that most people settle for junk speakers because they've settled for
bad sound so long that they don't know what good speakers should sound like.
"wow...4 tweeters are going to sound amazing...those graphs on the front look very
promising... and i can adjust the levels of the mids AND tweeters....SOLD!)
 
LOL, audiophile grade, well, people will believe damn near anyrthing,as long as its told to them in black and white. I also agree on the "reputation" thing, kinda like whens the last time you saw a rolls royce commercial?
 
Greed. They think they are buying quality stolen merchandise at a bargain price. The van guys usually tell their suckers that the person who loaded the van put an extra pair in the van and rather than return them, they will let them go for "cheap".

Yep. The same thinking that gets folks (occasionally me) to play the lottery.
 
All of the above plus:

People are constantly bombarded with hype and ads telling them one particular product is better than all the others. Of course if all the brands are saying they are better than all the others it leads to a deep cynicism which makes people zone and default to:

"All stereos sound the same"

"All big screen TVs look the same"

"All bikes ride the same"

Culminating in: if you pay more "you're paying for the name"

They see something really cheap and figure what they heck, its all the same so I might as well buy the one that is the biggest deal so they buy the price or the discount, not the item.
 
Pawn shop know full and well what that stuff is. When I see this stuff at the pawn, it's usually priced around 150$ to 200$, depending on the ammount of stuff in the package. This appears to be somewhat below or close to that minimum price the scammers let them go for on the streets.

az
 
Dollars to donuts; in a blind listening test 90% of people couldn't tell the difference between white van speakers and their comparable name brand counterparts.
 
... kinda like whens the last time you saw a rolls royce commercial?

I've got a Rolls Roice I'll sell ya, cheap, my boss ordered too many for his family and doesn't know about this extra one. 8 million horsepower, 5 engines, originally stickered at 7 million!

$250 cash and it's yours.

Pete
 
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