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Sansui AU-717 vs AU-719 ?

Raynald

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I have a friend who is quite enthusiastic about his AU-717. There seems to be a fair amount of info out there on that one and the AU-517 but I am wondering how the AU-719 compares sonically and technically? It seems to be just like the tuners where the TU-717 gets much more attention than the TU-719. I have found a few refences to the year of production and a few pictures, but not much more. Just curious if anyone has really had the chance to compare them.
 
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I think the main difference between the 717 and 719 are the output transistors. The 717 has metal die T-03's and the 719 has plastic clad outputs. Some claim no difference but I prefer T-03's because metal has better heat transfer characteristics.
 
i can't compare them..but i have an au-719 and its an amazing sounding amplifier..bags of power and a rich yet very detailed sound.
 
The main differences are, the 717 has a better build, the 719 has advanced circuitry.

Same goes for the TU's.

Rob
 
Information taken off AK and other places.
Hope this helps.

1979 1979-81 AU-719 (international) (USA: April 79-December 80) $575. This amp was an updated AU-717 (DC circuit or maybe with the DD/DC circuit, I'm not sure). This amp was an updated version of the AU-717 using some of the older technology of the AU-717. It’s a step down to the AU-717 and not like the AU-919 at all. It's a newer version of the AU-717 using the older technology of the AU-717. It’s 90wpc into 8 ohms. Frequency response rated to 400,000Hz with a ±170v/µs slew rate. Said to be a more audiophile type sound. This amplifier is a tad bit of a step down in actual build quality than the AU-717. AU-719 was cheaper constructed than the AU-717 but still an excellent sounding amplifier: Cheaper shielded transformers, no pre-out/main in, no anodizing on the heat sinks, thin galvanized non painted chassis, etc., etc.

From another person: From what I've read the 719 is different than the 717 using some older technology but being about 2 years or so newer in release. It's interesting that some mention their 719s having the black box transformers. I wonder if the black covered transformers are older versions or are the copper clad transformers a newer "revision" and an updated version and possibly a replacement that was done to better the sound or a cost cutting measure?

From another person: "Improved, slightly better sounding version of the popular AU-717. Completely independent power supply for each channel. Diamond Differential DC circuit for lower distortion. The DD/DC circuit is also said to make it less necessary to adjust and tune up the amp over the years to maintain peak performance. DC bias. Spring mounts for speaker wires used on the AU-717 were replaced with improved and more modern binding posts on the AU-719. Extended bass without that artificial boom, a deep and clear midrange and nice resolution in the treble. The AU-719 does not have any pre-out capability, as on the AU-717. This amplifier is 90wpc like the 819) and is clearly an updated AU-717 using the (DD/DC circuit). The AU-719 with the DD/DC circuit is clearly an updated AU-717. The 719 is 90wpc like the 819.

More 717 / 719 / 819 / 929 information
the 719 has pre-amp outs...which the 717 does have.
True, only the 819 and 919 have the pre-amp outs.

So there were two 90wpc amps (AU-719 and AU-819) in the line at the same time in place of the venerable 717. The 719 added and subtracted a few features in relation to the 717 but shared the same basic architecture.

The 819 was billed as a lower power version of the 919, but details about the exact differences are hard to come by. The 819 has a loudness switch in place of the attenuator (I think) on the 919.

I'm going with the 819 as my primary unit because its in better shape than my 919 and because it has the loudness switch. It will be interesting to hear how EW compares the 819 to other similar units, once he digs into mine.

Having owned the 717 and 517 series, I kept the 717 models and gave the AU/TU 517 to my brother. They are both terrific, and under most conditions there shouldn't be much audible difference between an 85 watt dual power supply amp and it's 65 watt similar sibling (and IMHO there isn't). The phono stage boards appear to be identical (and sound great). We had each tuner aligned (internally adjusted for lowest distortion, maximum separation and best sensitivity), and the tuners really are nearly identical internally (these Suis are just hard to beat for the $$). The amps are essentially the same design, with independent power supply boards and transformers. I tried both with the following speakers: Monitor Audio RS-6 (modern), KEF 103.2 (early Eighties British) and a pair of EPI 200C (late Seventies vintage). At moderate listening levels there really isn't much difference. Cranking the volume up to the loudest levels I listen at, the 717 seemed to have more headroom with the rather inefficient KEFs. I then sent the AU-717 to Dewick Repairs, and Terry rebuilt the power supply boards and generally spruced things up with Nichicon caps (from memory)as well as scraping off the glue that can acidify over the years. The large PS caps were all (four) fine. Anyway, this produced a Giant Step in listening quality, and I am sure that either model would benefit from this kind of attention. One more note: although the 717/517 is somewhat less inspiring in terms of build quality when compared to the 9900 and 9500, I personally think that they sound just as sweet once "rejuvinated", and they seem to be quite reliable (have owned three and a 719). Compared to the very nice 719, I think the 717 continued the "warm and tubey while not overly anyltical" sound of the 999/9500/9900 very nicely. Side by side, my 719 seems to be voiced a tad brighter, but not at all bad. I think there was a general trend that way with all of the Japanese builders moving into 1979-80 or so, and I guess some people prefer it. For me at least, the AU-517 / 717 (either) would qualify as Keepers, and same for the tuners. Sound commentary is subjective, but a LOT of people like the smooth sound of the Seventies AU models.
 
Great information, bluesky. Thanks for consolidating it all here. :thmbsp:

Btw, about the AU-717, didn't you mean that it doesn't have pre-outs?
 
The AU819 is not a full monoblock design like the 719, since it uses a common main transformer. They both have loudness, and the 819 has pre-amp out/power in jumpers, whereas the 719 does not. The power is the same.

I just went through the protection issue with mine, and the fault was in SCR-601, which can be unsoldered from the F-3101 board easily from the top side of the unit.

A happy and well adjusted 719 through a pair of HPM-1100s playing Eric Clapton's My Fathers Eyes is a great experience.
 
Just a small (and much later) addition:
Although the 719 does not have Pre-Outs, it also lacks the rear panel "selector switch".
As on many amps, (CA Series Yamahas come to mind) those preamp decoupling switches get dirty, and add one more thing that you need to get De-Oxit into periodically...or they can get noisy and cause imbalances and channel loss. So, unless you are going to use your Sui as a preamp, the 719, by losing a feature, gains a little in user friendliness.
 
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719 is much better amplifier than 717.
719 - 170V/us
717 - 60V/us
719 is three times faster than 717.
719 has better circuitry than 717.
719 has better speaker terminals.
719 dose not have pre- main amplifier connection on the rear panel, which is better for me- less wires and less contacts between preamplifier and main amplifier.
The build quality is same- 717 is more black inside. Transformers of 719 are perfectly shielded.
 
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719 is much better amplifier than 717.
719 - 170V/us
717 - 60V/us
719 is three times faster than 717.
719 has better circuitry than 717.
719 has better speaker terminals.
719 dose not have pre- main amplifier connection on the rear panel, which is better for me- less wires and less contacts between preamplifier and main amplifier.
The build quality is same- 717 is more black inside. Transformers of 719 are perfectly shielded.

Are you by any chance selling one, because I saw one up for sale (719) on dutch Catawiki and started researching the differences with 717. Then there is your post(a new member) in an twelve year old thread. Coincidence?
 
I have 3 of them(719). I put this post here, bacause I am Shure that 719 is a very good amplifier. You can see that in the specs the
slew Rate of 719 is 170 V/us and slew rate of 919 is 200V/us. It is difficult to find the slew rate of 717, because it is nothing special. The good thing in 719 is that, you can find easily spare output transistors.
I replaced almost every thing in the amplifier which I bought fist ( resistors as well). The sound is really good.
 
You cannot define an amp by a single characteristic. A you have no experience with the 717 so you cannot say if it sounds better. B. personal preference plays a big roll in what you consider good sound. So to say this is better than that is meaningless. Others might say the opposite. Describe the differences so people can make a decision based on what they are likely to prefer. C. An amp from which you replaced almost everything will hardly be representative for the model in general any more.
 
A.I have never sad this sounds better than that.
B.Check all the specs of this 2 amplifiers.
If you find any specs of 719 which are not better than 717, I will buy you a beer.
C. There are brochures from Sansui. Check them.
D.Tell me how to compare two 40 years old
amplifiers? You can compare them only when there are new.
If they are similar you can compare them by the specs and what company- producer
is telling about them.
 
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personal preference plays a big roll in what you consider good sound.
^^This^^, some people dislike the sound of the AU-719 some describing it as too clinical, while the AU-717 probably isn't quite as good spec's wise overall, many people prefer it 'sound wise' over the AU-719. You seem to be relying too much on 'slew rate' as a defining feature of an amplifier.

NB: I have restored several AU-719's - and I own an AU-717. ;)
 
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Screenshot_20220210-000819.png How many people prefer 717? I know many people who like the sound from mobile.
All the specs of 719 are better than 717.
Slew rate is very important.
 
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A project that I am thinking about:
Take the pre amp from the 717 and the power amp from the 719 and you have the best of both worlds.
 
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