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JBL L100 restoration and upgrade

leesonic

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I recently came across a pair of JBL L100s. The cabinets looked pretty good apart from the usual scratches and rotted foam grilles, the drivers were free from damage apart from a pushed in tweeter dome, so I bought them.

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When I got them home and hooked them up, I was impressed by their sound, particularly their low frequency response. If you've ever heard the music of Level 42, the early stuff before they got all poppy, you'll know all about Mark King's slap-bass technique. Try looking on YouTube for a track called "43", not the live version, there's a part about 3 minutes in where I swore the JBLs were going to blow me through the wall into my back yard. My current speakers are what I call my "bass monsters", I built these 20 years ago with SEAs drivers and matching crossover, with a dome tweeter, 8" and 10" woofers (the 10" runs through a subwoofer crossover). Until now, I had yet to find a pair of speakers with as good a bass response. Comparing the two, the foward response of the JBLs became more apparent, it seemed like the midrange and treble was more "shouty" for want of a better word. I decided to restore them, but give them some upgrades at the same time. I wanted to try one of the different crossover designs out there, but at the same time be able to switch back to the original crossover if I wanted that vintage sound back. I also wanted to do things like add some decent binding posts on the rear, make some new grilles, maybe even relocate that one grille peg that everyone who's seen them asks why it doesn't line up with the others. If this was a car, it would be a restomod...

The first problem I found was one of the woofers would make a scraping sound if you tapped the cone ("don't tap it then" should be the answer). It seemed to work OK playing music, but I didn't want it to become a problem later on, so I took the woofer out. Well, that was the plan, but the woofer wouldn't come out at first, so I removed the midrange and tweeter to see if I could get access to the back. I managed to squeeze my hand through the tweeter hole and eventually get the woofer out by pushing on the frame edge with my fingers. It turns out the voice coil had become detached from the spider. What makes these woofers great is you can remove the magnet to make repairs, and once I got the magnet off, I found a date stamp inside of September 18 1974.

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After removing the dust cap, I re-attached the voice coil to the spider using some black glue purchased from Orange County Speaker. After some trial and error, I found a piece of glossy cardboard that was part of a magazine cover to use as a shim between the coil and the magnet pole. Since the spider wasn't in contact with the coil like it should be, once I got the glue around the edge of the coil, I used a coffee mug to push down on the cone, which brought the coil back in contact with the spider. Once this was done, and given a few days to dry, I tested the woofer using some music with long, low bass sweeps, and it seems to work perfectly! I reattached the dust cap using the same glue, and then gave it a couple of coats of black "Wet Look" speaker paint from Parts Express. Looks good doesn't it?

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I then turned my attention to the crossover. After looking around on the 'net, it looked like Dennis Murphy's crossover design was the way to go. I wanted to be able to switch back to the original spec crossover if I need to, so I modified the design to include three switches to switch between the Murphy and JBL spec crossovers. As you probably know, the midrange on this speaker (well, mine anyway, and it appears to be commonplace) is wired out of phase. The woofer and tweeter both have their negative terminals connected to the negative input, whereas the midrange has it's positive terminal connected to the negative input. I was looking at Parts Express, and they stock a heavy duty 4 pole Double Throw switch that I could use for the mid, and use two DPDT switches for the woofer and tweeter. Two of the poles on the midrange switch would be to switch between crossovers, the other would be to reverse the polarity when using the JBL crossover. I could have used a 6 pole switch for everything, but finding one with a high current rating was a problem. Not that I planned on doing this, but you could in theory listen to the speaker with the JBL crossover on the woofer, and the Murphy crossover on the midrange and tweeter, or any other combination. Here you can see my modified schematic. It doesn't include the L-pads, but these will be used on the JBL crossover section.

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Using parts from Parts Express and Erse Audio, I was able to build my crossovers. I did try using a big 5x9" circuit board from Parts Express, but it proved too small, it was mainly the big 25w resistors I was using. So I used a piece of scrap hardwood I had lying around the house, and hard-wire everything on the back. My next plan is to remake the JBL crossovers with some new capacitors and L-pads. I will then mount a 5x7" dished plate on the back of the speaker cabinet which will hold some chunky binding posts, and the three switches to switch between crossovers.

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Watch this space for more updates...
 
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Beautiful work. As an L100 owner, I'm anxious to "hear" your impressions of the mods and the ability to A/B listen to them.

The "misaligned" peg is, as you probably already know, designed so you can't put the grill frames on upside down. I re-covered frame and all with plain black grill cloth, I always hated that foam, even before it rotted. Thinking about changing it to that "JBL Blue" one of these days.
 
Beautiful work. As an L100 owner, I'm anxious to "hear" your impressions of the mods and the ability to A/B listen to them.

The "misaligned" peg is, as you probably already know, designed so you can't put the grill frames on upside down. I re-covered frame and all with plain black grill cloth, I always hated that foam, even before it rotted. Thinking about changing it to that "JBL Blue" one of these days.

Thank you!

That grille was such a bad design. I mean, they go to all the trouble of putting a foam ring around the tweeter to reduce diffraction, and then hang a big chunk of wood in front. It's cut out just to give clearance around the drivers, no more. It would have been better just as a frame, about 1-2" wide around the edge. And the blobs of glue to hold the foam on? Right in front of the drivers. KEF and Mission had no trouble using Velcro pads to hold their foam grilles on, KEF 104aBs had a foam grille much bigger than the L100s.

And the offset peg? How about putting your grille on with the JBL badge the correct way up? It's not difficult. Or looking at the big round cutout in the grille frame, and placing it over the woofer? That's it, I'm all fired up, I'm relocating that peg!
 
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Darn shame that it was such a poor design and sold so poorly! :D

Interesting project you"ve taken on.

The foam for the original grilles was used for "acoustic transparency" and also made quite a design statement. You had to "be there" to appreciate just how distinctive these speakers were with the sculpted foam grilles.

I purchased a pair new back in 1974. I took excellent care of them but there was nothing I could do to prevent the deterioration of the grilles. I was fortunate enough to purchase the cloth replacements directly from JBL.
 
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Shoot, Lee, that's looking very good! I heard a pair of L100s once and they're just fantastic speakers. Well worth the effort.

How do the cabinets look? If it's just little scratches and general "tiredness", I'm always blown away by this product:

http://www.rockymountainlustre.com/

I know it seems a little cheesy, but you can't believe how much good it does. Really brings back stuff you thought would definitely need to be refinished. Doesn't really "fix" it, but makes it very presentable with almost no work.

Oh, and if you want a really good bass "test" track, check out the Dave Holland Bing Band. Track 2 on "Overtime" has about a minute long acoustic bass solo. Dave can really play some bass! It has some bits that go very deep and have a very satisfying openness to them. Really fun track on a good speaker.

Take care,

Ed
 
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Great work! Here's pictures my restored JBL L-100's to keep you motivated (which I doubt you need) well worth the effort and a true classic speaker. After the cosmetic restoration on mine, I just updated the caps and plugged the ports. I also have a excellent set of JBL 4311B's. :D
 

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Got to spend some more time working on the JBL L100 restoration and upgrade.

Here is a picture of my "re-manufactured" factory spec crossovers. Since the Parts Express L-pads have a longer shaft than the stock crossovers, I cut a new piece of 1/2" MDF and mounted them on there.

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And here are the new terminal plates I made, again using parts from Parts Express. The middle switch is the 4-pole double throw for the midrange, I'm going to wire two poles to switch between the Murphy crossover and the JBL spec crossover, and the other two poles to switch the polarity of the midrange driver, just like JBL did.

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Seriously fine work - let us know how you like the sound with the Murphy crossover. Been considering doing something similar with my L100s to flatten the response a tetch.

Oh, and get yourself a set of Zilchplugs and see what happens to the bass... :music:
 
Seriously fine work - let us know how you like the sound with the Murphy crossover. Been considering doing something similar with my L100s to flatten the response a tetch.

Oh, and get yourself a set of Zilchplugs and see what happens to the bass... :music:

Thank you for your compliments. Believe it or not, I like the bass the way it is, but I might try plugging up the ports.

When the weather gets better, I will start work on renovating the cabinets. Part of me thinks it would be cool to veneer the fronts and backs, but they do look good with the black baffle and white bass cones.

btw how did you re-attach the magnet to the basket without smashing the vc?

Very carefully! I laid the magnet down and lowered the basket/cone assembly onto it. It's surprisingly light without the magnet, must be the cast alloy basket.
 
Seriously fine work - let us know how you like the sound with the Murphy crossover. Been considering doing something similar with my L100s to flatten the response a tetch.

Oh, and get yourself a set of Zilchplugs and see what happens to the bass... :music:
I have to say I really don't understand the reasoning behind these mods. JBL is a speaker company with a long history of knowing what they are doing. I have a feeling all that work and money for those Murphy crossovers will not be an improvement. One thing for sure, it will reduce the overall efficiency. These L100s are one of the all time greatest speakers. I don't see how the JBL engineers could have been so far off. Also that port plugging thing. All that will do is kill the bass.
 
I have to say I really don't understand the reasoning behind these mods. JBL is a speaker company with a long history of knowing what they are doing. I have a feeling all that work and money for those Murphy crossovers will not be an improvement. One thing for sure, it will reduce the overall efficiency. These L100s are one of the all time greatest speakers. I don't see how the JBL engineers could have been so far off. Also that port plugging thing. All that will do is kill the bass.

Have you even read some of the articles on this speaker? There are all kinds of problems with it, and having such a basic crossover design doesn't help. The bass driver has a response up to 6kHz. The midrange has nothing to roll off the upper frequencies, and has a nasty peak at 6.5kHz, and who knows what the tweeter is doing? At certain frequencies, all three drivers are in the mix, not good.

Sure, JBL might have a long history... blah blah. But what kind of technology was around when they were designing this speaker? I would guess there wasn't much computer modeling back then. It took KEF until 1975 to even get a computer in their offices. It took Celestion until 1980 to get a laser they could scan their driver diaphragms, and see exactly what was going on.

The L100s are one of the all time greatest speakers? That may be true. But was it great because it sounded good? Or was it great because of a successful marketing campaign that got it in a lot of recording studios?

Me, I found an interesting loudspeaker, and I am trying to fix it up, performing some upgrades along the way. What, should I have just parted it out like so many people do on eBay? 'Cos I could sure use the money...

Check out these links, it might explain some more about the L100s "quirks"

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/JBL_L100.htm

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25014
 
Rawr

I understand the issues, like the mods and look forward to the results. Subjective or otherwise.
 
leesonic,

I appreciate the quality of your work and how meticulous you are. You also don't procrastinate! You should have those speakers up and running in no time.

PS I sure hope this thread doesn't get hijacked into the endless debate about the strengths and weaknesses of this model speaker.
 
leesonic,

I appreciate the quality of your work and how meticulous you are.

PS I sure hope this thread doesn't get hijacked into the endless debate about the strengths and weaknesses of this model speaker.

Word.:thmbsp:

Fine looking work. I've been thinking alot lately about recapping/modding the crossovers in my t3's. Though they are a different model, this thread will help to inspire me because of the visual quality of your work. Let us know how they sound when you're finished. I'll be watching.
 
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As a recent owner of the L100s, I've been working on a cosmetic upgrade, but have yet to tackle the crossover.
I love these speakers, but do find them a bit bright. I have the original model with the in-line drivers and the LE 20 tweater.
I have considered the Jantzen crossover (almost $300 at Parts Express), but can find no one here who's auditioned that upgrade - so at the price, have held off.
I look forward to hearing how this all sounds when completed.
 
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