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AT95 Special Edition

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Well, isn't that special! I think the only difference between the two are tighter build tolerances (ie: balanced channel output and such).

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Just wondering where is the difference with the standard AT95E...:scratch2:

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-562-audio-technica-at95e-special-edition-black-mm-cartridge.aspx

Anyone who can talk about this special edition? Thanks.
Never mind that one. I'm still tempted to buy an AT3400 and buy a HE, Vivid Line
or Shibata stylus for it, as I cant see much difference between the specs of it
and the "proper" AT95E other than the AT3400 having a higher output level. :scratch2:

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AT-3400
Stylus: .7mil Conical
Tracking Force: 2.0 - 4 grams
Output Level: 5.0mV
Frequency Range: 20 - 20,000Hz
Channel Separation: 20 dB
Load Impedance: 47k ohms


AT-95E
Stylus: elliptical 0.4 x 0.7mil
Tracking Force: 1.5 - 2.5g
Output Level: 3.5mV
Frequency Range: 20 - 20,000Hz
Channel Separation: <20 dB
Channel Balance: <2db
Load Impedance: 47k ohms
Output Impedance: 2800 ohms

:scratch2:


James H
 
You can't put the 3400-compatible styli on the 95 body? I though they were the same :scratch2:. As far as the special edition, well, it's the same price, so if you don't like green, why not?
 
Pretty sure the two are compatible and the stylus is the sole reason for the higher output.
Look at how much larger the cantilever is on the 3400 compared to the 95E.
 
You can't put the 3400-compatible styli on the 95 body? I though they were the same :scratch2:. As far as the special edition, well, it's the same price, so if you don't like green, why not?
Yes you can, but the AT3400 is a conical tip, with a ceramic cantilever by the
looks of things, so I dont see why you would want to.



James H
 
James, I misunderstood your post - I thought you were saying there are stylus upgrades available for the 3400 that make it more tempting than the 95E, but I (think) I see now that you meant why buy a 95E to upgrade if you can get a 3400 for even less and do the same upgrade. I agree.
 
Remove the stylus by pulling downward from the cartridge body. (safer with the cartridge off the arm) - as opposed to forwards for the Shure style cartridges.

There can be substantial differences with higher spec versions of the same body... and they are all to do with balancing the channels.

There are two inductors and pole sets inside each cartridge body, and their resistance and inductance are NEVER identical.

In the old days Audio Technica used to make a heap of AT15's, they then handpicked the ones with the best matched channels and labelled them AT20.

With the cheaper bodies, it can be pot luck, sometimes they are well matched and sometimes there can be 10% difference between the channels.

If the difference is in the inductance rather than the resistance, then it is hard to measure, and the resulting sound differs primarily in a slightly different frequency response / tonality - rather than being an output level difference.

Sneaky, and messes with imaging and soundstage in subtle ways.

Technics used to do the same with the ubiquitous EPC-P22/23/24/28/30/33/153/328.... series

I have more than a dozen of these bodies lying around
I have one P24 which has inductance of 357/327mH (8.8% variation)
I also have a P33 which has inductance of 348/348 - a perfect match within the measurement ability of my meter... (but the resistance on this one is 606/583ohm - so still not a perfect match)

What I am saying is that if the new AT95SE is a handpicked body, with very closely matched channels... it is worth going for, and worth paying extra for. :yes:

If on the other hand it is just another marketing exercise... (which is likely) - then choosing on the basis of the colour you like best makes a lot of sense!


bye for now

David
 
I use stylii for the AT3400 quite easily on my AT95E. The only difference is the 95E is an elliptical stylus whereas the AT3400 is a conical one.

No reported problems!:music:
 
How do you remove the stylus from the body?

you can insert a small flat headed jeweller's screwdriver tip between the side of the stylus and cartridge body and gently twist it to ease the stylus away..then its pretty easy to pull it off downwards and slightly rearwards
 
I've got a 95e stylus on a 3400 body mounted on my SL1200 MK2. Very happy with the result.
 
The AT95/3400 series bodies are one of the best bargains out there. Run them with conicals for 45's and HE/Shibata's for detail and imaging :)
 
Back on the specific topic, does nobody actually know what these are? A production run for OEM that didn't end up getting used, maybe?
 
It's the same cart with a black plastic stylus holder. It's current:
http://www.lpgear.com/product/ATC95EB.html

The AT 3400 is not the same. The output is 5mV opposed to 3.5mV, using the same interchangeable styli. The 95 is part of the 3400 series of bodies, along with many P-mounts with that unique looking stylus holder like the 92E.
The 3400 cantilever is carbon fiber. It has a .7 conical stylus and tracks 2 to 4g.

The 3400 series of bodies is also used for many carts which AT is the OEM, like Linn K9 and all the Clearaudio MMs. They're all somewhat different, or very different depending on number of windings and type of wire used etc.
 
Hi Neo,

are you sure that the body is not the same?

There are two ways of upping the output...

1) Coils with more turns (usually raises both the inductance and the resistance/impedance of the cartridge)
2) Stylus with larger magnets (cartridge is the same, but the effective moving mass of the stylus is increased)

There are a number of styli I have come across where the upper models in a range of cartridges had a lower output, even though the body was the same...


bye for now

David
 
Hi David,
The only AT magnets I know of that are stronger are the orig 440ML. The inductance/impedance is the same as the MLa but output is 5mV opposed to 4mV. I think it unlikely that the 3400 had stronger magnets. I've never used a 3400 generator, but I have the stylus. I just put it on my 95 the other day. I'm not sure if the output is exactly the same, but it seems that way. All the other AT magnets seem to be the same. Even transplanting a stylus from a different series, the magnets seem to work just the same. It's the transplant operation that presents a challenge.

I'm now using a 92E stylus on my Virtuoso with great results on a low mass arm. It's a bonded .3 x .7 nothing special, but the sound somehow seems more open and effortless. All the CA carts have a 95 type low cu stylus. Most MMs sound better to me with a good low mass arm. Even a cart like the 440 (10cu @100Hz) comes alive with a low mass arm. I guess it depends on the individual cart cause the 15/20SS seems to do much better in heavier arms than the others. I don't know why that is.
 
Interesting.

I have a AT450E OCC cartridge and currently have 3 stylii for it - an original
AT450E, a AT130E and a AT440MLa. I have to say the AT440MLa is slightly
quieter than the two ellipticals, not a huge difference but fairly noticable when
switching between stylii whilst listening through headphones.

Or perhaps the ellipticals are noisier than the Microline? :scratch2:

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James H
 
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