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Old 12-28-2011, 08:03 AM
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REVIEW: Dual 1019 rebuilt by fixmydual.com (bohhey)

The formerly gummed up 1019 that I bought for $10 is back from bohhey and all of the bugs have been worked out. Bill did a top notch job and everything is working as it should.

Having spent some time listening to it for the past week or so, I kind of have mixed feelings about the 1019. I thought it might be something that could be the main table in my mixed modern-vintage system, but being an over 45-year-old design, I'm learning that it does have its compromises. In 1965, those compromises probably weren't really considered issues.

The 1019 is well-known for its tremendous dynamics, especially with quick transients like snare drum hits and horn blasts - they really pop out at you. Bass is especially powerful and driving. This is a great table for highly percussive music. It has a very big, thick sound, and does a nice job of presenting the front-to-back soundstage. Certain records sound very three dimensional.

On the flipside, It takes about 30 minutes of use for the motor to fully warm up and get 100% on pitch. At start-up, it runs maybe one or two percent slow (as confirmed with a strobe). Bill assured me this is normal behavior. And there is a slight bit of rumble audible even with a "good" idler tire. It's not a huge amount and in no way does it interfere with the music, but if you're accustomed to the inky black backgrounds of modern tables, and your system is decently revealing, you will notice it.

For now, I'm going to keep a vintage Shure M44-7 on it and use it exclusively for mono and early stereo LPs, and for vintage 45s. The big, powerful sound of the 1019 will be a good match for those old platters and for that old Shure cart. I also have a Shure M78S mounted on a second headshell for spinning 78s, another task that the 1019 excels at.

So, all-in-all, it's a cool vintage table with a lot of character and a very distinctive and fun sonic signature, but for my needs it can't beat a quality modern design for finesse. But the 1019 really knows how to rock! A more dynamic table would be hard to find.
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:21 AM
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Very cool, I have a 1019 en route from Bill that hopefully will arrive this week. Its main duty will be 78s with the M78S, but I plan on adding a second cart on it for playing old 45s.
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:50 AM
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Very cool, I have a 1019 en route from Bill that hopefully will arrive this week. Its main duty will be 78s with the M78S, but I plan on adding a second cart on it for playing old 45s.
I can confirm that this table with the M78S does a superb job for 78s duty. You can also fit a light-tracking conical N35X or N25C stylus to the M78S body for your 45s.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:25 AM
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I can confirm that this table with the M78S does a superb job for 78s duty. You can also fit a light-tracking conical N35X or N25C stylus to the M78S body for your 45s.
Awesome, I was curious if another stylus could be swapped into that cart. Thanks!
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:34 AM
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You betcha!

FWIW, the N25C is the cheaper of the two options, but I don't think it sounds so hot. Presumably the N35X is a better choice. JICO also makes some styli that will fit this body, including an SAS!
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Did you mean 30 minutes or 30 seconds for the motor to get up to speed?

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Did you mean 30 minutes or 30 seconds for the motor to get up too speed?
A half-hour.

Bill explained that the motor needs time to heat the oil and make it completely viscous. Unbelievable, but this is what he told me yesterday.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:46 AM
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Must be colder in Massachusetts than here in Merryland! Or maybe I just never noticed.

I'm sure glad that you got yours restored.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:53 AM
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The formerly gummed up 1019 that I bought for $10 is back from bohhey and all of the bugs have been worked out. Bill did a top notch job and everything is working as it should.

Having spent some time listening to it for the past week or so, I kind of have mixed feelings about the 1019. I thought it might be something that could be the main table in my mixed modern-vintage system, but being an over 45-year-old design, I'm learning that it does have its compromises. In 1965, those compromises probably weren't really considered issues.

The 1019 is well-known for its tremendous dynamics, especially with quick transients like snare drum hits and horn blasts - they really pop out at you. Bass is especially powerful and driving. This is a great table for highly percussive music. It has a very big, thick sound, and does a nice job of presenting the front-to-back soundstage. Certain records sound very three dimensional.

On the flipside, It takes about 30 minutes of use for the motor to fully warm up and get 100% on pitch. At start-up, it runs maybe one or two percent slow (as confirmed with a strobe). Bill assured me this is normal behavior. And there is a slight bit of rumble audible even with a "good" idler tire. It's not a huge amount and in no way does it interfere with the music, but if you're accustomed to the inky black backgrounds of modern tables, and your system is decently revealing, you will notice it.

For now, I'm going to keep a vintage Shure M44-7 on it and use it exclusively for mono and early stereo LPs, and for vintage 45s. The big, powerful sound of the 1019 will be a good match those old platters and for that old Shure cart. I also have a Shure M78S mounted on a second headshell for spinning 78s, another task that the 1019 excels at.

So, all-in-all, it's a cool vintage table with a lot of character and a very distinctive and fun sonic signature, but for my needs it can't beat a quality modern design for finesse. But the 1019 really knows how to rock! A more dynamic table would be hard to find.
The Dual 1019 is a great turntable but it is after all a changer. There are lots of parts and bits that are necessary for it to function as such but certainly superfluous as a single record player. As Beatcomber mentioned, the dynamics of this table are quite amazing but are certainly not unique. My Lenco L75 also shows the dynamic side of the idler drive and is certainly quieter (and much simpler) than the 1019. I've never heard the Garrard 301/401 but I suspect from what I've read that they would also be outstanding. I think the compromises in the 1019 design derive more from it being a changer than its age. I find that I cycle the 1019 periodically into my system ( Lenco L75 and Rega P3 otherwise) because it's just fun to listen to the raw power and propulsion it imparts to music, even if it is in fact a coloration.
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Must be colder in Massachusetts than here in Merryland! Or maybe I just never noticed.
That's a good point. My 1019 resides in an unheated basement, and the temperature down there has been averaging around 55 degrees fahrenheit this month, which is fairly cool. I expect that the 1019 will get up to speed faster during the warmer months. Anyway, a 1% change in pitch is only about a quarter-tone, or slightly flat. Maybe tonight I'll put on a record before warming up the 1019, and see if I notice it. It only came to my attention after I tested it with a strobe.

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Maybe you could keep a light bulb under it when you weren't listening...
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A half-hour.

Bill explained that the motor needs time to heat the oil and make it completely viscous. Unbelievable, but this is what he told me yesterday.
After having to handcrank the Farmall in the dead of winter, I dont find it incroyable that oils a little stiff at 55 degrees.
Other part of this is, its old stuff. Gone through or not its old stuff. Personally, I prefer old stuff, it has character and personality, thus balancing out its shortcomings. I also bear in mind that my gear sees me every day, and Ive never heard it point out my faults. Its why we get on so well, Im OK, Youre OK.
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Reviving this thread after sending a second 1019 off to fixmydual this afternoon.

Like a dope, last year I sold the 1019 that is the original subject of this thread.

Naturally, I started missing having one in the house, and when I had the opportunity to buy a filthy but otherwise intact 1019 for the princely sum of $25, I naturally jumped all over it! I cleaned the grime off the outside and re-oiled the UA plinth, and it actually looks very nice. All functions work but it is sluggish and noisy (and one channel is dead), so it just needs bohhey's TLC.

It should be a great 1019 once it's fixed up. Hopefully it will be back in my hands in a couple of weeks.

Question: the aluminum insert in the platter mat has a concentric circle scratched into it, as if someone traced the outline of a 7" disc with something sharp while the platter was spinning. Is there anyway to buff out scratches on the aluminum?
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I also had Bill revive two Duals for me. The first was a mint 1229 that I bought off CL from the original owner. When that came back, I sent Bill the 1249 that I bought new in 1975.

The 1229 had a nearly unused Acutex M312STR cart on it when I bought it. I moved that cart to the 1249. I put a NOS Sonus Gold Blue on the 1229 that I bought on BT. I also have a Denon DL-110 that gets rotated to the 1229. I had both of these done about a year and a half ago and they've performed flawlessly since then. Hell, they'll probably both outlast me, Two Duals, three headshells, and many hours of vinyl bliss.
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I was going to say that the ring is anodized aluminum and there's not much you can do about the scratch because if you try to polish anodized aluminum, it changes the appearance drastically.

However, looking at mine again, I'm not so sure it's anodized. It kind of looks like it and kind of not.

Regardless, you would have to polish the whole thing to make it look acceptably consistent.

If it makes you feel any better, when I bought mine, the ring had a barely perceptible, very small dent in it. Just the one little dent. Otherwise perfect. And then I dropped the edge of a 78 on it and now it has a very perceptible crease in one spot. I was so mad, I didn't play any 78s for a month. I got over it, though.

And, referencing the earlier part of this thread, I second that 78s on a 1019 with an M78S cartridge sound fabulous. It is a true joy listening to the 78s my dear late father bought in the late forties on it.

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