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The reason we buy vintage -

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It is simple economics - Buy top of the line equipment at a fraction of the inflation adjusted value. - I compared original selling price vs. inflation adjusted value - There is no way that I could have afforded my gear when it originally was manufactured. Example - a G9000 cost $1,100 when introduced - inflated 2012 price $4,086 -
 
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Some pocket calculators and LED watches were $500-1000 in todays dollars.
I think its amazing how affordable things become in a short time.
To bad I never bought that 1969 Charger from my buddy in 1983. His aunt bought it new and he was moving away.
Price?
$800
 
Solid design, good quality, serviceable, and very reasonable prices for the level of performance. Oh, yeah... Then there is STYLE.

A 1972 McDonnell F15 is a fat, inefficient, overpowered, overbuilt, lumbering brute by modern standards. It would probably also blast through the wing of an F22 or Typhoon at mach 2+ and maybe suffer a scrape on the canopy and a broken pitot tube - And it would be repairable. The sleek, efficient, nimble modern replacement unit is disposable, but 10X the price. Consider your SX-1010 and the NAD C725 as an audio equivalent.
 
Another reason to buy vintage is to experiance the sound of what used to be high end or near high end at affordable cost. I actually heard a local audiophile once comment.."what can you get for 10 grand? You need to spend at least 50 to get decent sound! "
 
I started my vintage journey with a Technics cassette deck because that media was my main one when I was a young troublemaker. I've since acquired 6 more and I sit and marvel and my ability to own all these now, when I couldn't even afford one back in the '80s. I've crunched the numbers and I just tripped.

Model/$ New/Adjusted/$ Paid today

Kyocera D-811/$750.00/$1769.40/$18.00
Teac V-5RX/$410.00/$967.27/$5.00
Akai GXC-65D/$350.00/$825.72/$25.00
JVC KD-55/$300.00/$707.76/$14.00
Akai 707D/$280.00/$660.58/Free
Technics RS-616/$210.00/$495.43/$13.00
Technics RS-M226/$200.00/$471.84/$12.00
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Cassette decks/$2490.00/$5898.00/$87.00 Total cost today

And this list doesn't include the 18 other pieces I've collected. It's great for a guy on a very tight budget, like me, to be able to enjoy a hobby like this. So far, I'm in for less than $200 and I am satisfied with what my money bought. Btw, thanks for this thread.
 
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My KLH Model 23's...if I bought them when they were new, I'd have been two years old. I would have been 5 when my Sansui 5500 was new. When I was eleven I could have bought a Sansui G 7000, yeah right, I could barely afford a candy bar. I have all those and many more. Man this is fun; playing with all the combinations.
 
Solid design, good quality, serviceable, and very reasonable prices for the level of performance. Oh, yeah... Then there is STYLE.

A 1972 McDonnell F15 is a fat, inefficient, overpowered, overbuilt, lumbering brute by modern standards. It would probably also blast through the wing of an F22 or Typhoon at mach 2+ and maybe suffer a scrape on the canopy and a broken pitot tube - And it would be repairable. The sleek, efficient, nimble modern replacement unit is disposable, but 10X the price. Consider your SX-1010 and the NAD C725 as an audio equivalent.

The F-22 is so superior to the F-15 that this comparison makes me want to throw what's left of my vintage collection in the garbage, if it truly is the F-15 to the F-22.
 
The F-22 is so superior to the F-15 that this comparison makes me want to throw what's left of my vintage collection in the garbage, if it truly is the F-15 to the F-22.

What time shall I show up with the truck? I'm only sayin'. :music:
 
For those of you that were too young to remember, there was *some* decent equipment back then, just like there is *some* decent equipment now. Having lived through the late seventies as an audiophile, I can attest to the amount of plain old JUNK that was available.

Vintage does not mean *excellent*, and adjusting for the dollar is a con game. Look at it this way.... I could by a Candle receiver, WITH 8 Track, for $100 in 1975. Adjusted to today's dollars, that's about $700.

That's some expensive garbage! And no, it was definitely not made to last. There are numerous examples -- Akai? That was considered absolute crud.

The reason to buy vintage is because some of it was good -- by no stretch of the imagination was all of it good. The distortion does mask the modern CD sound though...
 
the inflation argument is a good one i think...:yes: likewise..there is just something about the build quality and individual styling of good vintage equipment that seems to endure.
 
It certainly represents a good value but I buy it because of what it is and not how much it costs.
 
The F-22 is so superior to the F-15 that this comparison makes me want to throw what's left of my vintage collection in the garbage, if it truly is the F-15 to the F-22.

Agreed. The F15 would be shot down before it even knew the F-22 was around. Geez, I never knew vintage audio was that bad...
 
There are probably as many variant combinations of motivations as there are people buying vintage gear, but among the main motivators are probably:

(1) SONIC VALUE. Better sound for less money. If you are buying yesteryear's high-end gear, you're getting great sound, but typically you're paying a lot less than you'd have to, to get anything close to it in new gear. Sure, you can overpay for a lemon that will need so much work done that it won't be a bargain, or you might buy something that won't sound all that good no matter what you do to it... but assuming you have some idea what you are doing (or at least check on AK first! :D), you CAN get great sonic bang-for-your-buck buying vintage.

(2) BUILD QUALITY/DURABILITY: Yes, there is new gear that is made with high-end components, thick slabs of aluminum for faceplates, etc... but that stuff costs a lot and is only found in specialty stores. Most of what's out there in the mass market today is plastic, made with surface-mounted components and generally not made to last for too long. Good vintage gear, with a minor overhaul every decade or two, will last for decades. Modern stuff usually won't last for even one decade. Except for the pricey boutique stuff, they don't make 'em like they used to. Even in the few areas where the sound quality has improved, like headphones, the quality of the frames, cups, etc... has cheapened and become less durable.

(3) MORE SCOPE TO "PLAY": This is a natural outgrowth of #1 above. Since vintage gear can sometimes be bought so cheaply at garage sales, thrift shops, etc..., many hobbyists can afford to try this, try that, and try the other thing, without risking too much financially. They can set up multiple systems, one for each room of the house if they like. Try "churning through" as much new gear at full retail, and you'd better be rich, or else you'll soon be bankrupt.

(4) FORMATS AND TITLES: Okay, it is possible to buy a new turntable and new records today... but it was difficult for a while, and many titles originally released on vinyl are still only available in old, original pressings. And if you are fond of magnetic tape in reel or cassette format, or even more obscure formats like DAT, DCC, wire, laserdisc, elcassette, etc..., then you have no choice but to go vintage.

(5) NOSTALGIA: Many of the people active on AK are from the "baby boomer" generation, old enough to remember when the sought-after vintage gear was not vintage, but brand new. A lot of us pored over magazine or catalog ads, visited showrooms, and dreamed of owning this or THAT piece of gear... but those were only dreams, way beyond the dreams of average youth. Today, that exact same gear is affordable; our incomes have increased, and the prices of those pieces have dropped. Collecting vintage gear today can be a means of making yesterday's dreams really come true, at last.

(6) VISUAL APPEAL: A lot of us prefer the looks of, say, an SX-1980 with it's silver face, wood slab sides and cool black heatsinks to a modern plastic-cased radio. We prefer a turntable with a wooden plinth and silver or black metal parts, to one with a spray-painted plinth, clear plastic platter and black plastic tonearm. Vintage gear fits better with vintage interiors, and has more appeal for those who decorate with antique furniture.

(7) THE THRILL OF THE HUNT: For some, the act of just going out and seeking gear, never knowing what will show up THIS time at the thrift (garage sale, wherever), is fun, like a treasure hunt. The anticipation of "what if THIS is the time when that original Marantz tube unit or Tannoy Westminsters are sitting there..." creates excitement, and the occasional "scroe" brings a thrill that is probably akin to a gambler's score... but no money has to be risked, to play this game! The roots of this motivation probably like in our genetics, the result of our hunter-gatherer ancestor's need to "score" food on a regular basis. This is hunting, without having to kill anything (except time :D).

There are other reasons why people might collect vintage gear, but I think these are among the most common.
 
the inflation argument is a good one i think...:yes: likewise..there is just something about the build quality and individual styling of good vintage equipment that seems to endure.

That's right: Good vintage equipment endures. But not all is good. Just because it is at a yard sale does mean it is good. Just because it says marantz on it does not mean it is good. There were plenty of entry level pieces from all manufacturers that were not considered "high quality". If these are somehow now considered hq, then the state of mid-fi audio is sliding.

In my experience, most of the gear that folks sing about as quality vintage was truly midfi consumer gear. That does not mean it is bad, just that it was nothing special, and really, is still nothing special.

Fyi: I use a phase linear 400 that I have modified, an sp-10 tt and watson lab speakers. I was using a paragon pre ans denon ha-500. All vintage, mostly mid fi, but I think quality.
 
From Arkay's excellent list, my motivations are as follows

(1) SONIC VALUE: - hardly at all (Vintage IS NOT about 'cheap' for me)

(2) BUILD QUALITY/DURABILITY: yes

(3) MORE SCOPE TO "PLAY": yes - a little

(4) FORMATS AND TITLES: not really

(5) NOSTALGIA: yes - a lot

(6) VISUAL APPEAL: yes - a lot

(7) THE THRILL OF THE HUNT: not really

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The satisfaction of repairing/reconditioning something, while paying homage to the original designers and manufacturers of such gear, and giving it a second life.
 
I'm tired of buying "vintage" Most the stuff needs work or ends up not working after some time..

I'm finding it easier to buy newer stuff used.. I've found none of it I've bought not working.

Some people like projects... I like plug and play.
 
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