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new Nagaoka MP-500 - first impressions

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I've been upgrading a Rega TT for a bit now (a couple of other threads here in TT Forum) and finally got a real cartridge - the Nagaoka MP-500. The Boron cantilever gets all kinds of praise, as does the line-contact Diamond stylus, and being a 3mv moving magnet design, it would make a good fit for the phono stage in my old McIntosh C26 preamplifier. (I'm not yet ready to go down the phono pre-amp path. Yet.)

Some research indicated that the Rega RB250 is a med/med-low mass tonearm (12g) and would work well with a cartridge in the med/med-high compliance range. The Nagaoka fits this bill pretty well (see http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=43706 and http://www.resfreq.com/resonancecalculator.html). Additionally, it recently made Stereophile's "Recommended Components" list, so I figured I'd give it a try. My other TT sports an Ortofon 2M Black, also a recommended component, and also featured in a direct comparison discussion in one of the previous links, so I figured this was a safe gamble. The Ortofon is super clean, honest, fast and articulate, if perhaps a bit clinical at times (not in a bad way at all). The Nagaoka MP-500 seems to be noted for having a less "clinical" sound, more of a warmer, richer, perhaps Grado-like presentation. (I have some experience with the Grado "sound" through a couple of vintage and current carts.) While I had no complaints with the Ortofon, I wasn't exactly interested in spending upwards of $600 for a similar sound (not to mention what's gone into the TT, lately) - I wanted something a little different and this seemed to be just the thing.

It arrived over the weekend, packaged similar to Rolex watch. :) Mounting it was easy (tonearm base needed a 2mm spacer, too, also delivered Saturday), and alignment was made easy via a mirrored protractor courtesy of a west-coast AK user. (See Barter Town.) The Hi-Fi News Analog Test LP helped determine tracking force (I think I settled in at 1.65), adjust bias, and confirm phasing/null.

The sound? Love it, love it, love it. The Ortofon took some breaking-in: it sounded great at first, and eventually settled in. This one seems to be sweet and flavorful right from the get-go. Count Basie's trumpets are fast and biting, Shirley Horn is smoky and seductive, and the Chicago Symphony Orchestra sounds as big as ever. Chamber music, including string quartets and Jazz combos, are warm and clear, and sometimes sitting right here in the room. I will readily admit that my ears were a bit "tuned" to the previous, temporary cartridge on this tonearm, serving utilitarian purposes through the mechanical upgrades: a Shure M97xE. While the Shure gets much praise here in the forums, I'm not a real fan. A quick conclusion I can draw is that when you spend 10x the money, you get 10x (or more) of the sound, even through a system of questionable (at best) pedigree.

Another impression I get is that the surface noise is less - noise floor seems lower, making the background blacker, much blacker in a few instances. It is likely that the line contact stylus rides a different path in the groove than the elliptical stylus of the Shure. I have some very nice vinyl, but the vast majority is used in one form or another, so I have no way to know what "nail" rode the grooves in the past. I have not done any comparisons against the Shibata stylus of the 2m Black sitting next to it, but I'd bet the Nagaoka is quieter.

I have not done the research, yet, but I suspect that the MP-300 and MP-500 are actually the same cartridge, the former using an elliptical diamond stylus (MP-200?) and the later the line contact diamond stylus (though both have a Boron cantilever), similar to the differences between the Ortofon 2M Bronze and Black - same motor, different stylus. Anybody know for sure?

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Thanks for posting, good summary.
I have had the MP200 for about a year now, and I'm looking to upgrade probably at the end of the year. I really like the MP200, it's detailed but sounds very balanced and full. Never harsh which is important to me.
The MP500 is on my very short list.
I wonder if I can buy a MP500 stylus and install it onto the MP200??
I have an RB300 on a Rega P3.
 
I was recently gifted a Nagaoka OS 300MP. Don't know how it compares to the MP-500 but I love it. Does everything in spades. Sports an elliptical diamond affixed to a boron cantilever.
 
Thanks for posting, good summary.
I have had the MP200 for about a year now, and I'm looking to upgrade probably at the end of the year. I really like the MP200, it's detailed but sounds very balanced and full. Never harsh which is important to me.
The MP500 is on my very short list.
I wonder if I can buy a MP500 stylus and install it onto the MP200??
I have an RB300 on a Rega P3.

Well, quoting myself here, but I finally got around to ordering an MP-500 stylus for my MP200. The 200 has probably 300 hours on it,give or take, and sounds fine. I never really heard anything I would consider consistent with a tired cart, but maybe it is worn. Looks good under the scope.
I eMailed Needle Doctor and Brain replied that the 500 will work in the 200 and I should expect a nice upgrade in sound. The research I've done indicates to me that I'm getting ~75% of an MP-500 with an MP-500 stylus on an MP-200 body.

It arrived yesterday. It was so simple to swap the styli, just pull one off the cart body and slip the new one in. It is actually less of a job to replace the stylus than it is to change records. This will allow me to put the 200 on when I'm playing marginal records, and play the 500 when I'm playing records in better shape.
I checked with a protractor and I MAY need to tweak for the 500, but it's really, really close.

Sound - The MP500 stylus is definately better than the 200. Much cleaner up top, and the bass is less boomy. The bass on the MP200 may be preferable with some setups that are lean because it does sound fuller. But with my speakers I get plenty of bass, so the 500 sounds a lot better.
The biggest thing I've noticed is how much smoother the 500 is vs. the 200. Horns especially sounds just creamy smooth, but still have good bite. The sound is much more real as well.
It was certainly worth the $300 to me, and I only have 3 or 4 hours on it. Not sure if it will get better, we'll see.

Just thought I'd update in case anyone else is curious.
 
Nice Cartridge! I have their Entry Level Nagoaka MP11 (Replaced with the MP110) and it sounds very much as you discribed, but to a lesser degree. These cartridges IMO sound way better than they have a right to for the asking price. Even my MP11 tracks like champ, and makes my used, worn $3.00 LP's sound very good, so Real. Sometimes, It's actually unsettling the way singer's Voice jumps right off the LP and into my Living room. Not bad for $100! I'll bet the MP500 on a Decent TT would sound Amazing.

I'm a bit surprised your cartridge sounded good right off. It took the full 30 hrs recomended by Nagoaka for my MP11 to sound good, and continued to improve to 100 hrs. The first 10 hours or so were actually pretty disapointing, With a limited soundstage, poor imaging, and poor low level resulution. But quickly improved from there.
 
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I'm a bit surprised your cartridge sounded good right off. It took the full 30 hrs recomended by Nagoaka for my MP11 to sound good, and continued to improve to 100 hrs. The first 10 hours or so were actually pretty disapointing, With a limited soundstage, poor imaging, and poor low level resulution. But quickly improved from there.

Hmmm, could be that I'm easy to please? :D

Or it could be that my 200 was more tired than I thought, or maybe I'm in for a much better cart in a couple of weeks. :thmbsp:
 
Hmmm, could be that I'm easy to please? :D

Or it could be that my 200 was more tired than I thought, or maybe I'm in for a much better cart in a couple of weeks. :thmbsp:

It may be that the Boron Cantilever in the MP 200 and better cartridges don't require as much breaking in as the one's in their MP150, 110 & 100 models. I believe they use an aluminium alloy Cantilever.

Since I haven't had a TT in 20 years when I first used this Cartridge, I thought perhaps "They" were right, LP's really don't sound as good as CD's. That was a scary thought. But soon after it started sounding more like I remeber.
 
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I had an MP-110.

It was a great bang for the buck. I am going to grab a higher end Nagaoka at some point.

I think they sound similar to Grados without the hum/
 
Has anyone ever tried adjusting the load down a little.....when I tried it on my 110 it opened up at around 25 or 30K

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I have a mp110 on order ,should be here thursday. I picked it for its low compliance for my pioneer pl50,and reviews of picking up less surface noise from not so perfect records. Also because of it higher (5mv) output as it seems i really have to turn up the volume knob on my Yamaha R9 reciever with a stanton 681eee. Not sure if that will make a difference or not. I wish there was a Jico hyperelliptical stylus for it though! But i figured the plain elliptical would be easier for my to align until i get more experience with turntable setup.
 
Man an MP-500 would be awesome!! Not sure I want to dole out $600 smackers though.....I want to get a MP-300. LPgear offers trade up, so I can always go that route with my MP110 and MP300 in a few yrs.

congrats on the MP500!!
 
Man an MP-500 would be awesome!! Not sure I want to dole out $600 smackers though.....I want to get a MP-300. LPgear offers trade up, so I can always go that route with my MP110 and MP300 in a few yrs.

congrats on the MP500!!

I put a $289 MP-500 stylus on my MP-200 body. Not quite the same as an MP-500, but from what I've read it's pretty close. Not sure if you can do that with the MP-110. Definetely an upgrade from my MP-200, no question about that.
It also give me the option to put the 200 stylus on if I want to play a record in not so great shape. Takes less time than to change records.
 
UH OH--jst checked Needle Doctor site and athough the 500 is shown in the banner ad, when you click on it, the site says it is no longer available. Site only shows the 300 and 100
 
Yes, same thing I've noticed at a lot of sites....no MP-500 available! Where are you guys getting these? Even ebay is 750-800! Why is everyone out of it, or am I just missing out?

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DC my friend, When you had your gathering of SMAC I had a very nice listen to your kit and I really was impressed with that little Nagaoka MP500 (and I'm one of those low output MC freaks, as you well know). The tone, the colour, speed, bass, bite when called for, even the air and surface quiet where all exemplary. And had me thinking... again, why don't I own one of these???

Your kit is fine man, ALL of us are on the edge somewhere, trying to move toward a center stage seat. I think you really have your priorities straight about what you want coming off the wax there. And I think I'm going to pick one of these little sweethearts up and take her for a spin.

Geez that cartridge is nice!

Happy Listening! :beatnik:
 
Hello my friend!

"gathering of SMAC" sounds funny :)

Thanks for your kind words. To be truthful, this TT and cart. have been sitting mostly idle for several weeks while I've been playing with other things. But your post a few nights ago prompted me to bring it back in here and I am glad I did! I re-read my original post and I think I am in agreement with my original assertions. This is one sweet little cartridge. I've been playing waaaay more Jazz than classical lately, but tonight ushered in a study of Beethoven Third Symphony albums, a play and re-play of the famous Klieber 7 (I swear that performance can cure illness), and now we're in Chicago with Rimsky-Korsakov for an evening of enchanted story-telling.

Happy Listening!
 
To my beloved MP500!

About three weeks ago, I have upgraded from the beloved MP200 to MP500. I aligned my MP500 by Baerwald protractor on Rega RB303 arm as well MP200. It was very difficult for me to align on Rega arm precisely. Because MP500's line stylus tip was very tiny. And I set 1.50g VTF.

At first, I listened a classical music.
I was very disappointed. My MP200 was good sound much. Certainly the MP500 had a lot of sounds, it was very much detail than MP200. However, the sound lacked smoothness, very harder and dwindling. I could not listen to a classical music any more. I wanted to return MP500. I could not believe that everyone is praising the MP500.

Because I had known that the burn-in process is necessary, I heard the MP500 patiently a few hours everyday. And, from the time it was passed about two week (50 hours), MP500 has been changed to mild and gentle sound with much detail. When I clean the stylus, I could feel the cantilever became moving well.

Especially on Classical and Jazz Vocal, MP500 sounds well. Maybe, it will be good on Rock music after more burn-in process. I can say that I never return to the MP200.

I would like to review of my MP500 after more burn-in process again.
Thank you for looking.

Here is My MP500 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv1mlMpklH4
 
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