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C48 Review - or sort of…

MORTIS

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As some of you may recall, I had a C712 for about 3 years and I enjoyed it immensely. You may also recall that I will only own a preamp that allows a certain amount of control over the frequency spectrum; or in other words, a preamp with equalization controls and preferably more than just a bass and treble, primarily because I never play anything without these controls in the circuit. The C712 was the first preamp I’ve owned with a loudness that was variable, and I was quite pleased to discover that using the bass and treble in combination with the variable loudness actually allowed the 712 to be very flexible of the musical presentation. With those 3 controls I could pretty much dial in any kind of sound I wanted; from a crisp and clean ‘in your face’ presentation, rather like the musicians are performing directly in front of you, most of which could be achieved by simply leaving the EQ controls out of the circuit. Or I could get a very warm and smooth presentation that extended the performance beyond the wall behind the system, much like what some folks might describe as a classic tube sound, which is the sound I prefer but without the tubes. I like it warm and deep with a recessed soundstage along with a fat woody timbre of acoustic bass instrument, somewhat the way the big old vintage drivers could sound but with the added speed and accuracy of modern speakers.

For quite some time now I’ve been trying to decide between a C48 or a secondary/back-up system such as an MA7000 in case my current pre and power were ever out for a period of time in need of service. Through research I was never able to determine whether the preamp and EQ sections of the C48 and MA7000 were of the same quality. There are of course some technical differences such as the MA7000’s volume/balance and EQ pots being all analogue (I think), whereas these pots are digitally controlled in the C48, not to mention the C48 has Mac’s first EQ section to use 125hz and 2000hz bands instead of 150hz and !500hz as used in all previous 5 band EQ’s. Supposedly the newer selections are more useful frequencies.
I ended up deciding to choose a dedicated SS preamp with McIntosh’s latest technology within a model segment, and so I picked up this C48 about 2 weeks ago and have been slowly tweaking it to my taste.

It Arrives! now for the obligatory jumping banana :banana:

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I could call this a review of the C48 but for many readers it would be considered rather specific due to my limited use of the features within the C48. I have not yet tried the built-in DAC because I’m instead using what I figure must be a higher end, quad balanced DAC in the D100, so no comments of the USB either. Nor am I using the MC phono section and will rarely ever use the MM, which as yet I’ve not even tried. I’ve got a ton of vinyl but most is well used from decades ago during my years as a full-time nightclub DJ. Only a small percentage of it do I care to listen to anymore while relaxing in my music room. I don’t do HT so forget Pass-through or any related benefits.
No folks – I’m interested only with the C48’s abilities as purely a preamp along with McIntosh’s exclusive 5 band EQ. For me, that much desired EQ being the main reason between choosing the C48 or MA7000.

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My time with the C48 has been rather interesting, with a couple of unexpected bonuses of which I will discuss later on.
Before hooking the C48 into my system, I wanted first to have one good listen to the C712 in order to make the best of my ‘audio memory’. Unfortunately my memory had to wait up to 2 hours for me to pull the components out of the system and then I had to modify the wall-unit a bit to fit the C48 with the other pieces.

I knew I’d have to start my session with the C48 with the EQ bands at top dead center and out of the circuit until I could begin adjusting them to my taste, which I also did with the C712 during my final listen in order to begin the comparison on an equal plane. Having owned the C712 for about 3 year and using it a few hours almost every day, in all my time with it I’ve listened to it flat (EQ out of the circuit) for probably a total of 2 hours, and about 1.5 hours of that was during my final listen before switching to the C48, therefore my evaluation of both preamps played flat can be considered quite limited and possibly inadequate.
With that said, I was not aware of any differences between the 2 preamps while played flat. Considering there is about 15 years difference of age and technical advancement, there must surely be some sonic differences, but I didn’t hear it, and I consider my system and speakers to be very revealing.

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Understandably at this point I’m feeling a little nervous about having spent several large $ on a preamp and so far no perceived benefits. Optimistically however I slowly begin adjusting the frequencies until the music starts to sound the way I prefer.
As I said, the C712 is very flexible in its tonal presentation but with the Bass control bending half the range and the treble bending the other half and the VL bending the whole thing, it requires you to carefully learn their curves and how each effects the whole, which for me can be a tedious and delicate process taking up to several listening sessions to precisely dial in. I say ‘delicate’ because the EQ controls on the 712 are, in my experience, extremely sensitive to the slightest movement. Depending on the recording, I would often have to make an adjustment of a control no more than 0.5 minutes on the dial in order to get it just right. Outrageously sensitive perhaps, but few visitors to my music room would notice the change.

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The C48 on the other hand seems less sensitive to changes and is much easier to zero in on a specific range covered by a selected frequency. Within a comparatively short time I was able to get the sound much closer to the way I like, and I've been fine tuning it a bit every couple of days since. I want to get a baseline that will be used most of the time from which I may make slight adjustment depending on the recording; so to make it easier to return to that baseline, I’ve attached tiny segments of green Frog tape at those baseline set-points.

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At this point you’re probably thinking ‘Damn It man – get to your conclusions of the sound and sonic performance!!’ Ok ok, here we go… .

My initial thought after I got a preferred tonal presentation was that the C48 seemed to sound more ‘digital’ than the 712, but after a while and a few tweaks, I realized I was hearing faster transient attacks and finer detail, and greater precision in the lower octaves, and yet it still sounded very natural and smooth. The presence of singers and musicians sounded more real with more clearly defined space and distance between band members.

I also noticed with a couple of hot recordings, such as when the recording medium seems to be pushed to the max in saturation while multiple instruments are all playing full tilt and loud, the C48 managed to better maintain the same composure as when a small ensemble is playing at moderate levels, with a lack of any distortion or graininess or smudging of the stage separation and instrument purity. This may be due in part to the C48 having a line level input sensitivity of 0.45v as opposed to the C712’s sensitivity of 0.25v. If so, then it’s a smart change considering the typical output of 2.0v from many disc players and DACs which can overdrive some older preamps that have higher sensitivity inputs.

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Here’s the unexpected parts; The C48 seems to play the same volume while drawing less wattage from the amp; at least it seems like that according to the amp meters. Maybe I’m imagining something but my amp actually sounds a bit more powerful with the C48.
Also, with my reference recordings, both the C48 and C712 had similar macro and micro dynamics. They actually sound much closer to each other with my best recordings, but poorer recording sounded more noticeably inferior on the C712, whereas on the C48, poor recording somehow sound really good. It’s quite weird given the greater resolution of the C48 how poor recording can sound smoother with greater dynamics than on the 712. It's as if, in this regard, the 712 puts out exactly what you put into it, whereas the C48 seems more forgiving and makes even crap sound good. I mean – how does it do That?!
Don’t get me wrong, I loved the C712 and I still believe it one of the very best ‘bang for your buck’ preamps within the generation of McIntosh. It’s a stellar performer and especially considering what they sell for these days, but in my experience, this C48 is doing some kind of voodoo on otherwise dodgy recordings. Old and poorer recording just seem to come more to life through the C48.

Perhaps it has something to do with that fabulous 5 band EQ, so here’s the skinny on that. As good and useful as the tone controls are on the C712, any plus/minus changes need to be made cautiously. They can do a wonderful job of massaging the tonality of the music and can give you some of that magical tube sound, but pushed just a little too far in either direction, or the 3 controls used in certain combination, they can easily damage the sound by either muddying the midrange or overly rolling off the high frequencies or overly peaking them. Whereas the 5 band EQ on the C48 seems completely transparent. In my experience so far, it diminishes the clarity and damages the purity of the signal Not At All!

Yes I can dial in pretty much whatever sound as well from the C48, but oddly enough there was a certain richness to the bass in the C712 that I have not quite yet dialed in from the C48, but in light of the C48’s superb attributes, fortunately my short term audio memory is preventing me from missing that richness too much. Which reminds me; I suspect the perceived extra draw from my amp when using the C712 may be due to the variable loudness digging deeper into the low frequencies which would draw more power.


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I still believe McIntosh should bring back that wonderful variable loudness on their preamps, especially on preamps and integrates with only a bass and treble, but in the meantime I’m very happy with the C48 and its excellent 5 band EQ. The C50 would of course be at least as good or better with its 8 band EQ, but if you occasionally need to make small adjustment, the 5 bands are easier to do quickly ‘on the fly’.

Thanks for reading.
 
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What a well constructed review, I mean really well constructed........

Your photography is second to none, really brings out the beauty and contrast of the McIntosh.....It's very impressive....:thmbsp:

My reviews must hard to read, I get sidetracked, burble on and rant....but this review or user experience is stellar........nicely done...:yes:

Now yeah, a couple of comparisons between our experiences.....

I found there was an immediate noticeable difference between the C40 and C48 when used flat.
Now I wasn't expecting this, and after reading your review, I think I know what it could be, it's likely the difference between the DAC's.
The C40 was being used with the Benchmark DAC1 and I was using the onboard USB in the C48.....
So I'm thinking the DAC in the C48 is actually pretty damn good sounding to be honest......
There is a very smooth, detailed but solid sound to the C48 DAC that I think the benchmark doesn't have....

Now this poor recording sound quality........

I found the same thing!!!
What the hell is up with that, and how does it do it??

I run my EQ in bypass mode, I have no EQ applied at all in the C48......so its not that.....

My EQ happens in my BSS366T Omni-drive....

Something to think about......:scratch2:

Now here's something to try and report on if you can. I think there is a difference in sound between EQ bypass, and EQ on (but flat).
I would be really interested if you can try it and let me know what you thoughts are.

I am not sure what the difference is, but there seems to be a slight more level of clarity?? in EQ bypass......

Anyway, so glad your enjoying it, and really , your listening room is sick!! It's off the chart......what a beautiful place to hang out and listen to music..:thmbsp:

Oh and one more thing, I would be interested in you trying out the USB on the C48 DAC and let us know what you think of it....
 
Great review. Congratulations!
I really like your listening room and LP storage/shelves and system and photography is superb!
Regards,
 
Just curious as to which Cartridge you use . I know I hadn't played my limited selection for years, but after upgrading from, Ortofon, Stanton and Shure to Dynavector I found vinyl to be a totally new experience. I am back to over 500 LP's from my low point of under 50. The great LPs gained clarity and a quietness in the grooves I hadn't heard before. The average LP's became more revealing and dynamic. Below average LP's became more than just barley listenable. And bad LPs, I still throw them out or give them away.

I appreciate your joy of using the C-48 graphic equalizer as I do with my C-34. If I could figure out how to get a C-48 in the same space as my C -34 I wouldn't hesitate to make the change. Then I wouldn't have spend close to $1000 in addition to the price of a Dynavector XX-2 to interface with my C-34. Another issue is that I don't want to give up my record selector, mode selector, and the loudness control or the dynamic expander limiter.

My system is set up to follow Roger Russell's B curve above 1000 Hz and is basically flat down to 25 hz with a 2 db elevation from 50 hz down. His B curve is very close the the small room X curve recommended for Home Theatre. Its similar to the THX curve, too. So if I want flat flat I just turn the 30 hz control down a touch on the C-34 or down to points on the MX-120 or add 3 or 4 db to the MX 120 treble or 4 db to the 10 khz control on the C-34. I prefer a natural roll off of highs as I don't like the sound of BuddyRich or Oscar Peterson sitting on my lap. They didn't sound that way live either. Now being an old musician that hung his horn up a long time ago, I still like to feel I'm in the middle of things sometimes with Big Band, Wind Symphonic band and Symphonic orchestras, then if any things its time to back off the bass a few Db and crank up the treble. But the highs still have to be smooth with out tweeter resonance peaks.

So enjoy your self and do go back and listen to some of the old recordings, there is artistry hidden in there, too.

Have you ever thought of using a Men 220 to dial your speakers in. It has multiple memories with parametric filters where you can change the center frequency to get the balance just right. Or you could install, heaven for bid, an Accuphase equalizer, that will balance thing every thing flat or to a curve of your choice by drawing on a display screen.
 
Have you ever thought of using a Men 220 to dial your speakers in. It has multiple memories with parametric filters where you can change the center frequency to get the balance just right. Or you could install, heaven for bid, an Accuphase equalizer, that will balance thing every thing flat or to a curve of your choice by drawing on a display screen.


I am going to get a MEN220 as soon as one comes up for sale used for the right price, they don't come up for sale very often, I had a chance at one this week, but it was going to be too expensive with the shipping etc etc, so I had to let it go, so now I'm waiting for the next one......

It will replace my BSS366T Omni-drive, I think it will do a good job an my system....

I just wish they had included FIR filters in the MEN....that would be a strong selling point for me....
 
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Just curious as to which Cartridge you use . I know I hadn't played my limited selection for years, but after upgrading from, Ortofon, Stanton and Shure to Dynavector I found vinyl to be a totally new experience.

What Dynavector cart do you have?

How would it compare to a Sumiko?
 
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Much thanks guys for all the very kind comments.
As I've said elsewhere, I may be the only person currently using a D100 with a C48, so I may be obligated to do that fateful DAC comparison.



Just curious as to which Cartridge you use . I know I hadn't played my limited selection for years, but after upgrading from, Ortofon, Stanton and Shure to Dynavector I found vinyl to be a totally new experience. I am back to over 500 LP's from my low point of under 50. The great LPs gained clarity and a quietness in the grooves I hadn't heard before. The average LP's became more revealing and dynamic. Below average LP's became more than just barley listenable. And bad LPs, I still throw them out or give them away.

I appreciate your joy of using the C-48 graphic equalizer as I do with my C-34. If I could figure out how to get a C-48 in the same space as my C -34 I wouldn't hesitate to make the change. Then I wouldn't have spend close to $1000 in addition to the price of a Dynavector XX-2 to interface with my C-34. Another issue is that I don't want to give up my record selector, mode selector, and the loudness control or the dynamic expander limiter.

My system is set up to follow Roger Russell's B curve above 1000 Hz and is basically flat down to 25 hz with a 2 db elevation from 50 hz down. His B curve is very close the the small room X curve recommended for Home Theatre. Its similar to the THX curve, too. So if I want flat flat I just turn the 30 hz control down a touch on the C-34 or down to points on the MX-120 or add 3 or 4 db to the MX 120 treble or 4 db to the 10 khz control on the C-34. I prefer a natural roll off of highs as I don't like the sound of BuddyRich or Oscar Peterson sitting on my lap. They didn't sound that way live either. Now being an old musician that hung his horn up a long time ago, I still like to feel I'm in the middle of things sometimes with Big Band, Wind Symphonic band and Symphonic orchestras, then if any things its time to back off the bass a few Db and crank up the treble. But the highs still have to be smooth with out tweeter resonance peaks.

So enjoy your self and do go back and listen to some of the old recordings, there is artistry hidden in there, too.

Have you ever thought of using a Men 220 to dial your speakers in. It has multiple memories with parametric filters where you can change the center frequency to get the balance just right. Or you could install, heaven for bid, an Accuphase equalizer, that will balance thing every thing flat or to a curve of your choice by drawing on a display screen.

twiiii; you always amaze me with your vast experience and knowledge of both pro and home audio. It is far beyond mine and it's always interesting to read your posts.

My tt is a vintage Yamaha with an equally old cart. I don't even remember the make of the cart, as there is no name on it and only a logo which I can no longer identify. I rarely play vinyl and my tt really needs some updates to a newer and better cart and perhaps some modern cables. It really is a solid and well made table and deserves a re-fresh.

At one time I had considered the MEM220 but I've also read some mixed reviews of the performance, which I realize could be due to improper owner setup and use. Plus I understand it only corrects up to 1000hz which may be entirely adequate in most applications, but I rather it could handle much more of the audible range. In my situation, the idea of having an ADA conversion plus the 5 band EQ seems like a lot within the signal path.
I pretty much have the freedom to do whatever I want to my music room, so I continue to further experiment and refine the room with acoustic treatment along with what the 5 band EQ can do for me.
 
At one time I had considered the MEM220 but I've also read some mixed reviews of the performance, which I realize could be due to improper owner setup and use. Plus I understand it only corrects up to 1000hz which may be entirely adequate in most applications, but I rather it could handle much more of the audible range. In my situation, the idea of having an ADA conversion plus the 5 band EQ seems like a lot within the signal path.
I pretty much have the freedom to do whatever I want to my music room, so I continue to further experiment and refine the room with acoustic treatment along with what the 5 band EQ can do for me.

I am going to replace my BSS366T Crossover processor with a MEN220, I will be using the crossover function for splitting my system up into the Mid/High coaxial speakers, and the 15" subs.
It does pretty much everything I need it to process my system, and the best part is that its all McIntosh....:thmbsp:

I have studied the manual extensively and I have never read anything about Room Perfect only processing to 1khz.......I thought you had written 10khz at first but see it's actually 1khz....
Where did you get that information from? I would be very surprised if this was the case, it doesn't make any sense at all......:scratch2:
I wonder if its people buying something they really don't understand how it works or how to use it....
Interesting.....

I think i have a MEN lined up, so I might have one in a couple of weeks.....

Oh anyway my point was, I have some pretty trick and high end pro audio analysis tools I can actually measure what the MEN does, and when I eventually get one, I will report what it actually does.....see if we can put some light on the rumors.....
 
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I am going to replace my BSS366T Crossover processor with a MEN220, I will be using the crossover function for splitting my system up into the Mid/High coaxial speakers, and the 15" subs.
It does pretty much everything I need it to process my system, and the best part is that its all McIntosh....:thmbsp:

I have studied the manual extensively and I have never read anything about Room Perfect only processing to 1khz.......I thought you had written 10khz at first but see it's actually 1khz....
Where did you get that information from? I would be very surprised if this was the case, it doesn't make any sense at all......:scratch2:
I wonder if its people buying something they really don't understand how it works or how to use it....
Interesting.....

I think i have a MEN lined up, so I might have one in a couple of weeks.....

Oh anyway my point was, I have some pretty trick and high end pro audio analysis tools I can actually measure what the MEN does, and when I eventually get one, I will report what it actually does.....see if we can put some light on the rumors.....

Does that mean you may not be using the Room Perfect functionality?

Its certainly possible I'm wrong about correcting only up to 1k. I read of that in several places on the web so it could simply be ignorant hearsay. You're right, it doesn't make sense and hopefully I'm wrong.

Yeah I look forward to you getting it and your report with the trick analysis tool.
 
Does that mean you may not be using the Room Perfect functionality?

Its certainly possible I'm wrong about correcting only up to 1k. I read of that in several places on the web so it could simply be ignorant hearsay. You're right, it doesn't make sense and hopefully I'm wrong.

Yeah I look forward to you getting it and your report with the trick analysis tool.

Oh no, I will be absolutely using room perfect if it works well, luckily I have the tools to actually see what its doing, and I am hoping the curve it tries to achieve is realistic and the averaging they use is good too.....

The crossover section is what I have been reading about mostly, and that can do everything I need it to, so that's good, and that is what I mainly need it for....

I would like some control over what it does, the user must be able to use EQ filters.....although I didn't see that in the manual, but I will read through it again.....

What would have been good with these new pre-amps is to have a digital AES/EBU output and for the MEN to have an AES/EBU input, that way there would be less digital conversions in the chain......Just a thought....

Yes I have paid a deposit for the MEN its brand new with a firmware upgrade and its had a new upgraded board fitted by McIntosh apparently, so its a good one, and got it for well under retail.....

I should make the payment in a few days and then it will take a week or so for it to get here......

Exciting times ahead........:thmbsp:
 
Room Perfect works all the way up to 20K in McIntosh products. Due to the granularity you will need something like an AP analyzer to see what it is doing in the higher octaves.

thanks,
Ron-C
 
Room Perfect works all the way up to 20K in McIntosh products. Due to the granularity you will need something like an AP analyzer to see what it is doing in the higher octaves.

thanks,
Ron-C

Well, of course I knew it would, it didn't make any sense......funny place the internet.....

With the transfer function on Smaart 7 I'll be able to see what room perfect is doing....
I'm just curious as to how differently (or not) it will tune my system from what I do manually.
But in essence at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what its doing if my ears approve....

The MEN seems to be a pretty powerful tool, and in the wrong hands, well.....we all know the story of the sorcerers apprentice.....

I've put a lot of thought into this purchase and I am looking forward to "dialing it in"......

Ron-C, do you know what the "upgraded board" and firmware upgrade details are, this is what i am told McIntosh have done to it..?
 
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