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Kenwood 700C Nudies

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As a companion to the 700M nudies, here's theophile's 700C that I'm finishing up on. This one shall make a rather lengthy journey 'down under' in the near future. I should have taken pics before I started, but too late now. Oh well...

Anyway, for those unfamiliar with this preamp, it is a rather hard to find unit, and IMHO, probably the finest Japanese preamp made in the 70's, with a help of a few tweaks.

Kenwood originally designed this preamp to use nothing but polypropylene (or perhaps polyester) film capacitors in the signal path, but somewhere along the line (probably due to cost issues), the expensive film caps got axed and cheap non-polar electrolytics were installed instead. That's the bad news. The good news is that the traces on the PC boards still have the layout to allow mounting film caps as the Kenwood engineers originally intended, and ALL the inter-stage coupling caps are in the range of 0.47µf to 10µf, which leave the opportunity wide open to convert the amp to a 100% film capacitor signal path...no electrolytics. Doing this raises what is a very good preamp into a rarefied performance league that is unheard of for what you will pay for one of these.

Here's a pic of the top boards on a 700C that has been rebuilt, the original electrolytics replaced, and the interstage electrolytics removed and replaced with 250V Panasonic ECWF(B) Series metallized polypropylene capacitors...some of the best film caps I know of (these are the shiny rust-colored components). These are available in values up to 4.7µf. The tone amp uses a 10µf cap at the output, and for this I have chosen a 10µf 200V Auricap (the two big yellow suckers).

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This is the only preamp I know that uses a soft-start circuit...similar to those used on very large (120WPC and larger) amplifiers and receivers. The stock power supply caps are 2200µf 80V, and as you can see I have replaced them with some computer-grade Cornell Dubilier 4700µf 75V caps. I've also replaced the original soft-start relay with a new one (an Omron LY2-DC24). Kenwood used a relay socket and made this easy.

Here's a pic of the bottom. Note that the tone controls are made from a multi-position switch with individual filter elements for each switch position rather than the standard potentiometer/Bandaxall filter as you see on units where cost-cutting is a primary concern. This is something you never ever see nowadays, but used to be standard practice on high-end gear till it just got too expensive. Open up some classic 60's Marantz gear made when Saul was in charge, and this is what you see. The labor costs to put one together was huge...must have taken a full work shift (or close to it) to solder one together .

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The regulator supplies the +/-50V used by many stages, including the phono amp. Picture the minute swings up and down the Class-A AC load-line with 100V of range for the phono output (the smaller the swing in relation to the endpoints of the AC loadline, the more linear the amplification. High voltage rails put those endpoints a long ways away). Nice. The regulator also supplies +/-24V and +/-5V for other boards.

A nice feature that few will ever use is the ability to amplify a pair of microphones, one L and one R. Cool, whether it gets used or not.

Another nice feaure is the built-in headphone amp, something missing from many preamps (including the Pioneer Spec 1). It's a rather simplistic affair, and is incapable of driving headphones with impedances greater than 100 ohms to any worthwhile volume, but if you have a pair of 32 ohm Grado's or something you'll be pleased. There's also an adjustable headphone level control on the rear panel, but with most phones this will be turned up to maximum and volume adjusted only with the front panel volume control. The rear panel also has adjustable input impedance (600 ohm/30K Ohm/50K Ohm) for both phono 1 and phono 2, as well as two preamp outputs, and three Aux inputs, as well as the requisite two tape loops with full monitoring and dubbing capabilities.

All in all, a nice preamp. If you was fishing, you'll call it a 'keeper'.:thmbsp:
 
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ME! That's who! :D :thmbsp:

Scott
 
What an awesome preamp - Wow! The Marantz 7 and 7T tone control switches look just like the 700C - all hardwired in place on the switch body. Interesting that the 700C now sells for more than the 7T most of the time - and justifiably given by the looks of how it's built inside.

I have a Kenwood KA-8006 integrated amp and it also has stepped tone controls but they are mounted on PC boards - pretty cool feature and something the Model 600 doesn't have...:D
 
Hey Echo nice nudies! I have used the "computer grade" caps in my Marantz & Sansui's.
But what does that mean, as compared to "audio grade". Are computer grade tighter on spec about filtering ripple? CPU's need very clean power but what about ESR and impedance? Where does computer grade lead to there?
Hope you or somebody can clarify this.

jon
 
Computer grade generally have screw terminals, and are rated for lower ESR and higher ripple current.
 
Yum!
That looks tasty!:drool: :drool: :drool:
I'm almost envious,and it's my preamp I'm looking at!
Look EW,you've gotta stick it in your system(I'll pay you for your work first)and give it a listen.Is your own one restored to this level?If so of course you don't need to hear mine.
I can't wait.My system is on one of those never sounded better gallops where it's settled into a groove,and is doing Superman impersonations.I'm sure my jaws gonna drop when I hear this thing.:jawdrop:
 
My own 700C is the same, except that although I have the 4700µf 75V power supply caps, I have not installed them yet (it's a PITA, and I'm just busy with everyone elses stuff).

As far as listening to it, I've been doing so since last night. It has no sound of its own, really. Very very neutral, which was the goal of the original engineers when they designed it, and mine as well when restoring it.
 
It's funny EW that's exactly the impression I get when I compare the 700C to other preamps.It's like the 700C just steps aside....
Just finished listening to three LP sides,had the hairs standing up on my arms and legs again at various times of the proceedings.
I've heard plenty of very expensive systems which miss the mark,this one doesn't.
I've waited 30 years for a system like this.:yes:
 
Echowars and Theophile: I can't tell you how happy I am to be a new 700M/C owner. If you guys with your collective experience regard the 700's as your top system, I've made the right choice.
 
Sam,
I can't vouch for the 700M,having never heard one,but you can't go wrong with the 700C.It's in a class of it's own.:yes:
 
Alright guys... quit rubbing it in! I'm still looking for my combo! :D

I sure love my Kenwoods! :yes: :thmbsp:

Scott
 
theophile said:
Sam,
I can't vouch for the 700M,having never heard one,but you can't go wrong with the 700C.It's in a class of it's own.:yes:

I have just had a 700C a few days and very much agree they are extraordinary.:D
 
Wow. All you Kenwood 700 m/c/ and heck even T owners have it nice. It would be nice to have that stack to blast some tunes with. Superb
 
rhiohki,
The EW modded 700C has transformed my system into without any doubt,and far and away,the best system I've ever heard.:yes:
It's to the point where based on what I've heard over the past 30 years,I haven't heard anything which even suggested that this level of quality was possible.
Obviously every element in the system plays it's own part in the result,but it took the 700C(EW) to give the other components the wings they needed to fly.
The other 700C(non-EW modded)I have at home was,as I said,in a league by itself compared to the Transcendent Sound Grounded Grid,the Kenwood Basic C2 and the Yamaha C2x.The 700C(EW)is like space travel compared to airline travel(700C non EW).
Brilliant.Worth every cent I paid for it.:yes:
 
theophile said:
rhiohki,
The EW modded 700C has transformed my system into without any doubt,and far and away,the best system I've ever heard.:yes:
It's to the point where based on what I've heard over the past 30 years,I haven't heard anything which even suggested that this level of quality was possible.
Obviously every element in the system plays it's own part in the result,but it took the 700C(EW) to give the other components the wings they needed to fly.
The other 700C(non-EW modded)I have at home was,as I said,in a league by itself compared to the Transcendent Sound Grounded Grid,the Kenwood Basic C2 and the Yamaha C2x.The 700C(EW)is like space travel compared to airline travel(700C non EW).
Brilliant.Worth every cent I paid for it.:yes:

EW has had my 700M a week now and I can't wait, so I will have to take a chill pill because it will be a while. LOL I am going to take him my 700C when he is ready for it. It's hard to believe that a 700C could sound that much better than it does already. Again I can't wait to have both modded pieces hooked up and playng, should be rocket ship. :music:
 
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