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Anyone heard of Ambient Speakers?

judgeschreber

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I'm taking a look at these tonight, for sale cheap off of CL. I searched here and could only find a couple references, with no real info. They were a Massachusetts company in the 70's, so I'm hoping they might have some good designers behind them.

The only info I could find on the web was a patent application filed by John L. Butler (anyone heard of him? was he associated with any of the big New England names at the time?)

here's the patent application link:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3933219.html

Anyone have any insight?

She's got four of them, and they're going pretty darn cheap, so I'll probably get them unless they look terrible. I'll post pics if I do.
 
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Hi Jud,

MAN! I can't believe you found a pair of AMBIENT INC. Speakers!
It seems for years that I have been the only AK member to own these WONDERFUL little Speakers. I found my pair at the local Goodwill (about five years ago) for a very low price. When I got home and hooked them up, I just could not believe someone GAVE these away to the GW. I was totally BLOWN AWAY by these little bookshelf speakers! My pair is a two way system with a...(if memory serves a 8 inch Woofer) and (I'm not sure) what kind of Tweeter, as it is sort of odd shape. That being said, I would compare my little AMBIENT INC. to EXPENSIVE smaller monitor in performance!
My AMBIENT INC. Speakers seem to handle power quite well and can really CRANK for such a small Speaker. I too tried to find info on the Speakers with no luck. That being said, I too have thought just as you mentioned...these Speaker MUST of had some SERIOUS East Coast designer(s) behind their design as they just sound WAAAAY too good for being such a simple looking Speaker. Dude, if she's got four of them and they are all in good condition...GRAB THEM NOW!

Regards,
SixCats!
 
Got 'em!

Turns out there were two pairs of different speakers. One is a fairly convential two-way with a 7" old-style philips woofer (full-range?), and a small cone tweeter, whose maker I can't identify. These are great little acoustic suspension speakers with a very nice sound. THey are a bit shy on bass, but nice and full nonetheless. I've been looking for a pair of small kitchen speakers, and I think these will do the job very nicely.

The other pair is very strange--a design I've never seen before. I think it's the one reffered to in the patent that I linked above. Each cabinet contains basically two two-way speakers, one for each channel (!). They use the same philips drivers for the woofer, and have a nicer dome tweeter. I *think* the way you're supposed to set them up is with one face of each cabinet facing forward, and the other face facing outwards. So in the right speaker, the right channel aims right at you, and the left channel aims at the wall to your right. For the left cabinet, the left channel aims right at you, and the right channel aims to the wall at your left. They are acoustic suspension, like the other smaller ones.

I hooked these weirdos up, and I was actually very impressed. You need to use both A and B speaker outputs from the amp (although I guess you could wire it differently if you wanted to). Their big strong suit is imaging. When I had only A going on the amp, only the forward facing sides were firing, and they sounded very much like the other pair--a nice two-way acoustic suspension speaker. When I added the B output on the amp, the soundstage grew wider and deeper. Especially deeper. The instruments and voices became a little bit bigger, but more firmly localized on the stage. The frequency range of these isn't anything to brag about, since they go about as low as you'd expect, but the imaging and soundstage is pretty awesome.

HOWEVER, as soom as you move out of the sweet spot, it all just falls apart. If you move to the right, for example, you start to hear the left channel coming directly out of the right side of the right speaker, and the imaging gets really messed up. I was listening to Bill Evans Trio live at the Vanguard (a favorite test record of mine because of the double-bass sound and the stereo seperation), and the instruments became schizophrenic--you didn't know where they were coming from, and it was actually very distracting and unenjoyable. So, if you want to settle in your chair in the sweet spot and enjoy yourself for an hour or two, these are great. If you are gonna be moving around and doing things, or if you happen to be sitting off to the side of the sweet spot, they sound pretty terrible. A bizarre design principle, with some big ups and downs. I'm not sure yet how I will integrate these into my system. I can see why no one has heard of these--I suspect the idea of a speaker that only works when you're sitting in one spot didn't go over very well in the marketplace.

So in all, these are clearly well made with quality parts. The cabs are very nice looking with attractive veneer and styling (although the ones I got have a few scuffs etc--nothing that couldn't be fixed with a little steel wool and oil). The straight-forward two-ways are cool little bookshelves that sound great. The weird ones have ups and downs. The ups are quite stunning, the downs are a big downer.

Pics to follow.

Edit: Oh, and another good thing--the drivers have rubber surrounds, so no bothering with refoaming.
 
Here's some photos. The first two are the normal bookshelves, the second two are the weird ones.
 

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Those DD's look pretty cool. I wouldn't be surprised if these tweeters were philips, seeing as how the woofers were, but although very similar, they are slightly different from the photos in your post. Maybe a different version of the same line?

I found a little more data: the woofers are AD 7065/W8, which I think is actually a 6", not a 7" as I said earlier. Unfortunately I can't get any identification marks off the tweeter, since the crossover is attached to the back of the tweeter--a giant air-core inductor and a tiny little cap, whose value I didn't check out yet since I'd have to remove the tape holding it together. I'll do it at some point, but not yet. Here's a photo of the crossover.
 

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They do look like Phillips drivers, like the pair in my DQs. If you decide to sell these, which I don't think you should do- please keep me in mind.
 
Hi judge,

Excellent! I'm glad that you found yourself some unique (rare) AMBIENTS!
How can you loose for their listed CL price ? I find it fun to "mess" with different Speakers. I sure hope you give them (and Bill Evans) more time!

Regards,
SixCats! aka Tom Patrick
 
I'm wondering, if the effect is acheived by just adding the side speakers to drive a more ambient effect, a-la what Bose does, or what Design Acoustics does, and even EPI, with some of their offerings.:scratch2:

I also wonder if the side speakers are wired out of phase- this is sometimes (often?) done with speakers from Infinity, when they have rear-facing tweeters.:scratch2:

By the way, did you try swapping the second (outer) channels to the opposite speaker terminals, as in the left speaker gets the internal left front speakers hooked up to the left front A channel, but the left internal side speakers get hooked up to the right B channel?

This may emulate what Polk did with it's Sonic Hologram C-9, and Polk did with its SDA speakers.

You could also use the 4 speakers and a center channel to sort of produce a type of "hafler" effect, or dirivitive.

http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/fass/index_htm2.html
 
Will do, deli, although I'm gonna give them a bit of time before I make a decision, and I may do a little crossover rehab if the caps are low enough value to require little cost outlay.

Cats, what model are yours? My two-ways are model 7, the weirdos are model 4. Got any pics of yours?
 
Very interesting speakers! :yes:

What happens to the sweet spot on the second pair if you feed the left speaker the left A/B speaker out
and the right speaker the right A/B speaker out instead of left/right?

Could also make for some interesting bi-amp applications as well... :scratch2:

Scott
 
Deli, I'm thinking these are a sort of merging of the two New England traditions. A nice two-way acoustic suspension design in the manner of KLH, Advent, etc, combined with the psychoacoustic approach of bose, dbx, etc. I haven't heard bose offerings in a while, but from what I remember the soundstage was nice and full, but the imaging was out of control (the infamous 10-foot flutes). These seem to do a little of both, but the soundstage is firmer and relatively more pinpoint than the bose. Compared to my dbx soundfields, these acheive much the same soundstage and imaging effect, but whereas the dbx tried to eliminate the sweet spot, these rely on the sweet spot way too much.

In terms of the phasing thing, I'm not sure about that. How could I tell?

If I understand what you are asking about how to wire them, that is exactly how they are wired. The left cabinet has "A Left" coming out the front right at you, and the same left cabinet has "B Right" coming out the side towards the wall on your left. Is that what you mean?

I don't know much about the polks, but I'd be eager to find out more.

Thanks for the Hafler link. I'll have to read it in detail, but it looks like it may be doable with these speakers. Maybe that's why the person selling them had both pairs?
 
Judge, I'm a little foggy from a doctor's visit. I think I missed that you had already said the left cabinet has "A Left" coming out the front right, and the same left cabinet has "B Right" coming out the side towards the wall on your left. Yes, that's exactly what I've meant!

Very cool concept. for those interested in trying it out for themselves, grab a Minimus 7 or small bookshelf speaker, and wire 'em up correctly. Then cross the speakers into the opposite positions (put left wired speaker on the right, the right wired speaker on the left). Now, aim the small speakers away from you and at the walls. This will give you the effect described.

Using a smaller speaker helps keep the effect from becoming overpowering.

In terms of phasing, if you connect the left speaker to both left outputs, instead of the left/right output, and play a bass rich thumping song, if the front facing woofer is going out, but the side woofer is going inwards, then the drivers are wired out of phase.

Then you can go back to hooking 'em up the way you described.

Very neat-o indeed.
 
Scott, I haven't tried that, but I noticed when I picked them up that the seller had them wired so that only one channel would go through each speaker. He acheived this using extra-long leads, weaving the each wire through two different binding posts (there are four binding posts for each speaker). I'd probably do it your way rather than his.

Might this make them similar to the likes of Allison speakers or EPI speakers that used two adjacent faces with identical drivers? I'll have to experiment with it.
 
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