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By all reports, that'll blow the doors off any Mc tuner ever made. Some guys even prefer it to the legendary 10B!
 
thats apparently the holy grail of tube tuners and scarce as can be .i was following that auction and figured it'd go for around that price. a great investment in my mind as these vintage pieces continue to climb in price.
chris
 
Is the performance that much better than a 310-E?
i really couldnt tell you because ive never had either.perhaps brian will chime in on this as i beleive he has experience with the 4310.
chris
 
I love the vintage gear but I could never see myself spending that kind of coin on an FM tuner.
 
BeerCan said:
I love the vintage gear but I could never see myself spending that kind of coin on an FM tuner.

Specially when seller states "This is being sold as is with no warrantee". Yikes!!

Overpriced certainly. So, no chrome chassis or fancy magic eyes? No scope? you've got to be kidding!!! :D

Build quality is subpar compared to Marantz and McIntosh. But you got to see it in person to understand.
 
Is the Scott 310E the home version of the 4310?

I bought a Scott 310E NOSValves Craig has it for updating,I read on audio asylum that the Scott 310E is the home version of the 4310,is that true? I sho as heck I couldn't afford $2500 bones for a 4310!!! Geez Lousie!!
I love my 310E though.

Cheers,
Robert
 
The problem with all of this is the lack of quality of FM broadcasting. Used to be top-notch. Then came CDs, over-compression, reduced selection of music, etc., There is presently no reason to own a wonderful F.M. tuner in N.Y.C..

Seth
Forever Analog
 
Every once in while they still spin vinyl at the Noth Texas University station. The jazz has always been good on there, I just live in a fold in the breaks and can't quite pull it in unless I want to put up a mast.

I was looking all over for my Fisher tuner about a month ago and just couldn't find it. A few days later I found it in Russ's house. WTF was I drinking when he was over here?
 
NoTransistors said:
The problem with all of this is the lack of quality of FM broadcasting. Used to be top-notch. Then came CDs, over-compression, reduced selection of music, etc.,
Too too true -- but occasionally you find college stations still doing a low-powered job of broadcasting quality... and variety.
 
This is THE Holy Grail of US FM tuners on terms of quality IMO. When I was in my youth I had 1 with a 10 (yes a 10), 10b, a Fisher FM1000 and Mc 65b and 67 all at the same time in the Boston area we had some really great FM. The 4310 knocked off the others easily in terms of sensitiveity and sound. In reality there was only 1 other tuner designed for FM monitoring and that was the Fisher FRM-1 which was the FM-1000 with crystal control added. The 4310 is the braoadcast monitor version of the the 310-E but there were some circuit differences I think in the multtiplex for the 4310 that resulted in lower distortion and extensed frequency. Been a long time so may be wrong here. About a year after I had a chance to have a 310 along side my 10b (the same as I had when I had the 4310 and the 310 outshone the 10b to about the same degree as the 4310. Back then used 4310s were unobtainable since they were special order only or radio stations with only a few going to private individuals and a used 310 was more expensive than a 10b. Scott at the time was THE fm tuner company. The 10b was loved but was really sort of bought only by Marantz amp/preamp owners as and the Mc tuner usually only bought by Mc equipment owners. Very little cross branding occured with these companies. Mc tube tuners though fetching good dollar today back then were not pre-eminent in the the tuner user world. Their emergence occured when the other switched to ss and discontinued their tube tuners and Mc basically by default became the champion of the tube fm tuners. Also, remember that Mc tuners were really inexpensive compared the most of the others such as the 10b and 4310.

As for the pricing of the 1 on eBay; a year of so ago a few showed up and in lesser condition were selling for about the price of a 10b and in very good condition went for even more. I've not followed 10b pricing but suspect they are starting to hit the $2,000 price range in average condition so the 4310 is probably about right.
 
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I am not sure how many people are awaare of the fact but HH Scott bought out EH Scott and besides one other company that I am not sure was still in business EH Scott was building the best and most expensive home audio gear in the world. This tuner is probably the culmination of the best of the EH Scott design plus the R&D that HH Scott had been paying for. The fact that a HH Scott tuner is considered the best is no surprise to me. The pedigree is certainly there. The main circuit for this tuner could in fact be why HH bought out EH. That is surmise on my part but when EH was in their hay day a new one without a cabinet was selling for more than a new luxery car.
Sandy probably knows more about EH than I do. A good EH rig including the amp and speaker will fetch this kind of money in auction and it is mono.
 
Thatch_Ear said:
I am not sure how many people are awaare of the fact but HH Scott bought out EH Scott and besides one other company that I am not sure was still in business EH Scott was building the best and most expensive home audio gear in the world. This tuner is probably the culmination of the best of the EH Scott design plus the R&D that HH Scott had been paying for. The fact that a HH Scott tuner is considered the best is no surprise to me. The pedigree is certainly there. The main circuit for this tuner could in fact be why HH bought out EH. That is surmise on my part but when EH was in their hay day a new one without a cabinet was selling for more than a new luxery car.
Sandy probably knows more about EH than I do. A good EH rig including the amp and speaker will fetch this kind of money in auction and it is mono.

Are you sure of that? What happened was that the old (declining) EH Scott tried to sue HH Scott over the "Scott" name. Ultimately HH won and the old Scott changed its name to "Ravenswood". It survived quietly a few years at their original Chicago location.

I have also heard that Herman Hosmer Scott was a big fan of the old EH Scott and it actually copied their early Noise Reduction circuit and released it a separate component in the late 40s. I wonder why EH Scott did not sue.

HH Scott took advantage of the fact that the old EH Scott was not the mighty company it once was. He took over the "Scott" name that's for sure. But I really doubt he used anything else....
 
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I bought one of the last things that was made by EH Scott in a flea mkt. The amp/ preamp/speaker combo ended up being closed out by Lafayette in their catalog and according to the guy in New Zealand who collects EH Scott (Tannoy too) the Lafayette closeout was actually done by HH Scott after EH Scott was no more.
Evidently old audio urban myth, but since I had no reason to doubt the guy I just figured it was true. After all he collects EH Scott and I don't.
 
E.H. Scott was not bought out by H.H. Scott. There are many misconceptions about E.H. Scott including he was related to H.H. but none true. Just plain fate that each had the last name of Scott and each created a company that manufactured some excellent electronics. E.H. had its heyday durig pre-WWII and by the late 40sw if memory serves me he lost control ofn the company and the subsequent products went downhill. H.H. Scott came into its own post-1950 after E.H.'s heyday. E.H. Scott existed into the stereo era and I remember 1 of their last products being a portable stereo phono on a leather case that looked like a typewriter case. The compander was not developed by E.H. H.H. did develop a circuit that was the first to actually prove significant be and from a market standpoint. Later the concept was employed by DBX in their initial home offerings the 117 though again they developed their own circuits.
 
Anyone ever see this HH Scott unit? Decade Amplifier 140B

I'd love some info on this one.

H.H. Scott Decade Vacuum Tube Amplifier Type 140B
Tube complement: 6X4, 6U8A, 6BK7 x 2

This is the only example I have ever seen for this unit. I believe it is rare. As indicated in the photos, this unit is from the Instrument Division of H.H. Scott, Inc. It appears to be a wideband amplifier of low-level signals, with gain adjustable from X1 (0db) to X10 (+20db) to X100 (+40db) to a MAX setting.
 
Brian said:
The compander was not developed by E.H. .

Actually, the dynamic range expander (not compander, my mistake) was part of the higher end "Philharmonic" models. Quite advanced for its time. Of course back then it was only "AM" but E.H. Scott was certainly ahead of the pack.


Here are excerpts from the article “Nothing New Under the AM Sun” by Michael N. Stosich. Originally published in the January 1977 issue of Audio magazine. Fascinating read!


“...The trend towards modern component hi-fi, actually began during the 1930s, and E.H. Scott was the foremost manufacturer of custom high-fidelity component systems, being the Crown or McIntosh of his time.

Custom is not an idle word either; Scott aligned tuners to work better for different geographical locations and added or subtracted controls to suit the
purchaser.

Scott was born in New Zealand in 1887, orphaned at 14, and while in the Australian Army Corps, invented an automobile trouble shooting device which eventually brought him $46,000.

After World War I, he migrated to Chicago where he wrote auto maintenance articles syndicated in 50 U.S. and Canadian newspapers. His interest soon gravitated to radio, and he began to write articles on that subject too.

On a holiday in New Zealand in 1924, he took with him a set specially constructed for the occasion to receive U.S.broadcasts while there. The feat of having received 117 programs from 19 stations, all at least 9,000 miles distant, with his World Record 9 receiver eventually put him into the radio manufacturing business.

His high fidelity receivers were bought the world over by those famous in musical circles. Scott owners included Sir John Barbirolli, Eugene Goosens, Tullio Serafin, Lauritz Melchior, Al Jolson, Eddie Cantor, Deems Taylor, Guy
Lombardo, Rudy Vallee and Arturo Toscanini.

These names attest to the authenticity of the sound produced for that period. Other owners included Prince Otto von Bismarck, the Baron de Rothschild, and the Chicago Tribune’s Colonel McCormick.

The Hearst press used Scott receivers to monitor world news events. A Scott tuner was used to receive one of the earliest experimental television broadcast demonstrations during the 30s in Chicago.

From his earliest receivers on, Scott emphasized good tone, realistic sound, and the custom look. There were always several different super-crafted console cabinets available for both the receivers and the speaker systems.

All but the very first were sold directly from the factory to the customer.
Each set was built to order by an individual technician, and all sets were
“burned in” before final testing.

The Scott look lasted until the late 50s, that is, lots of chrome and massive construction. As the chassis and all coil and tube shields were heavily chrome plated, many owners bought only the basic component equipment, the tuner, power amplifier, and speakers.

They would then, as now, proudly display their component equipment on shelves or table tops with the speakers mounted in the walls or in speaker enclosures, either custom built or made by Scott. This, by the way, was in the early 1930s.

But, what of the technical quality of the Scott receivers? How does this obviously archaic equipment compare with modern components? Well, first of all, Scott was initially bound to AM for radio reception, and he was forced to develop AM receivers to the technical limits of the period.

His tuners, unlike most modern tuners, had an audio bandwidth that permitted the reception of everything being transmitted. For instance, my last $300 tuner had an AM response of a mere 1,500 Hz. My new $400 tuner with a new IC AM circuit has an audio response of 4,000 Hz. However, my 1930 Scott Air-Wave 12 had a response of 4,000 Hz. I should add that the list price of the Scott was $600, during the depression years to boot.

The early sets had a fixed, flat-topped i.f. response, and consequently fixed wide-band audio response, just like the modern solid state super tuners. The use of a broad i.f. is fine for local stations which transmit wide-band information, but distant stations or limited bandwidth stations require progressively narrower i.f. bands.

Soon Scott introduced a stepped i.f. bandwidth and later a continuously variable i.f. control. This allowed the user to adjust the i.f. to suit both the station and the atmospheric conditions.

The year 1937 saw the introduction of one of the best high-fidelity AM receivers ever built and, I imagine, to this day unexcelled. To approximate it today you might purchase the following: a McKay-Dymek AM tuner, a DBX-119, a Burwen 1201 Noise Reduction unit and an Audio Research tube amp.

The 1937 Scott 30-tube Philharmonic receiver came standard with features many of us are now seeing newly reintroduced and rediscovered. This set had two tuned r.f. stages and four audio i.f. stages. The audio i.f. response was continuously variable and flat topped at all points but the narrowest, from between 4 kHz and 32 kHz wide, which permitted 16 kHz audio.

Sensitivity was advertised as 0.5 microvolts. Just as with the latest Luxman $900 tuner, this set had effective AM muting, only it was continuously variable.

The i.f. was front-panel adjusted by a control mechanically linked to each stage and trimmed each transformer primary and secondary, to accomplish stagger tuning.

The Philharmonic employed both i.f. AGC and delayed r.f. AGC. Each AGC
voltage was separately derived by an extra tuned gain stage and rectifier. It
could almost be said there were three i.f.s in the set, one for audio, one
for r.f. AGC, and one for i.f. AGC.

The use of tuned AGC amplifiers reduced the effects of modulation on the AGC voltage. That is, you don’t hear the station breathe at you as the AGC voltage follows a broadcaster’s voice.

Quite a bit of audio processing was employed in the Scott Philharmonic.
Besides the usual bass and treble controls and loudness compensated volume
control, there was also a dynamic range expander and an automatic noise
reduction system. The +-20 dB bass control, by the way, had a ganged 60 Hz notch filter to correspondingly minimize hum with the bass boost.

The dynamic volume range expander utilized a “Magic Eye” tube to indicate the degree of expansion, somewhat as its solid-state counterpart does on a DBX unit. It also had a continuously variable expansion control as does the DBX.

The Scott noise reduction system is usually ascribed to H.H. Scott and is said to have been invented by him in 1946. This is not true. H.H. Scott (no relation) described in his 1947 Electronics article how he improved the time constants of the earlier 1937 E.H. Scott Radio Laboratory Automatic Needle Scratch Suppressor in developing his DNS.

It has been suggested in AES literature that Burwen used the H.H. Scott DNS for inspiration in developing his now famous product. This, of course, was a standard feature of the Philharmonic.

Other features of the Philharmonic were a 10-kHz audio notch filter, a 40-watt class-A power amp employing push-pull output devices, and a two-way speaker system employing a 15-in. woofer and two five-in. tweeters.

The set was constructed on two welded, heavy gauge, chrome-plated chassis, one for the tuner and control section and a second for the power amplifier/supply section. Later versions included a third chassis, which contained an LC crossover network. Dial calibration was advertised as 0.2 per cent.

The 1937 Scott Philharmonic, then, was quite advanced even for 1977! However it was missing one important feature which Scott had in limited production in 1936 (and Sony and Crown in 1976)- tri-amplification. One channel was used for each of the following ranges, 30-125 Hz, 100-600 Hz, and 3-16 kHz. This set was the 40-tube, later 48-tube, and still later a 57-tube Quaranta.

Besides employing an 18 in. woofer, two 12 in. midranges and three tweeters,
some Quarantas came equipped with a disc-cutting lather and ribbon microphone. At up to $5,000 in cost, its production must have been very
limited.

E.H. Scott had several competitors. The most significant among them was a dashing young genius named McMurdo Silver.

Silver was a continuous contributor to technical articles to Radio News magazine (the predecessor of Popular Electronics) throughout the 30s. He was a polo player, gun collector, and is said to have been quite a bon vivant. Formerly the president of Silver-Marshall, Inc., he set up the McMurdo Silver Corp. and began building custom high-fidelity receivers in competition with Scott.

While good, his receivers were never quite the equal of Scott’s. One of Silver’s most famous owners was Dr. Lee DeForest, inventor of the vacuum tube. DeForest owned a Silver Masterpiece V and praised it in the final chapters of his autobiography. Throughout the 1930s, Scott’s and Silver’s advertisements would do battle trying to “one up” the other’s in technical achievement.

Features were stolen and lawsuits initiated. Finally, Scott won the battle and bought out the failing Silver in 1940. Scott then introduced a new, bottom-of-the-line receiver and designated it as the Scott Masterpiece. I do not know if the gesture was meant as a tribute to his archenemy or to rub salt in the wounds. Silver eventually committed suicide in 1947.

Later, Scott high-fidelity receivers came with 40 MHz FM, 100 MHz modern band FM, and push button, motor-driven remote-control tuning. By 1947, the last great Scott receiver was built- the AM/FM model 800B, but the company was in advanced decline. Because of Scott being eased out of his company and the advent of post-World War II TV, Scott Radio Labs died in the early 50s.”​
 
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