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JBL L300

We have had quite a few problems even through ebay when selling things. I am just not willing to run the risk. I am hoping that he is not too angry with me. It's not like I took a better offer and supplanted him. I just wasn't comfortable with the way he pushed paypal to me.
 
Heck, 'most everybody uses paypal ... its perfectly fine.
I've bought a ton of stuff here on Ak and used paypal every single time!
Well, except for a few local pickups where I take (or pay) via cash only.

And if its not a local pickup, how were you gonna sell/deliver those monsters?
L300 speakers are hardly bookshelf speakers - or skinny towers!

Sounds like you got other issues to me ...
 
I have heard some horror stories about PayPal but have never been burned myself. Although my brother was. He was selling some $1400 Louis Vuitton shoes on ebay (he lived in Italy for awhile, in the military). He received a "fake" email from "Paypal"...looked pretty legit...said the money had been deposited in his Paypal account...but he never actually checked the account...he shipped the shoes and never received payment. His fault, I know. But you can be burned in any online sale, if you're not careful.

I don't want to make assumptions on why the OP didn't go through with the sale. Maybe he does truly want to keep them and enjoy them or maybe he wants more money out of them. Either way it's his right, as long as there was no legal agreement regarding the purchase. I wish I was lucky enough to find some speakers of that caliber for cheap! The best "deal" I ever found was probably on my Apogees...a $2-3k speaker for $175, but they were a little rough. Some people have all the luck.
 
Again - many of us don't do freight on big honking speakers ...
I've shipped L100 speakers and the newer (taller) L100T speakers -
but when I sell my L200s it's pretty much going to be pickup (cash) or none ..

I drove 400 miles round trip for my 4341s, I drove about 200 miles round trip
for the L200 cabinets in my Avatar and loaded it myself ...

I sold a pair of 4341s last year and it was a local cash deal -
I might have gotten more if I'd hassled with Long Distance shipping -
but I'm quite happy with the money I got.

Like I said - I have bought and sold Audio stuff and motorcycle parts via paypal -
never had a problem. Had a couple of ebay problems and got refunded on both of them
... via Paypal.

International Shipping is a completely different issue ...
tho I did fine with my recent Canadian and Norwegian sales ...
 
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@audiomagnate I had not, but that is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about.

Now that your a subscriber you can post in BT for local buyers only if you want. They just will not sell as fast but you will be suprized at how many AKers live near by you. This way you can do the whole transaction in person and eveyone is happy.
 
Not sure what you mean about the April 1st thing. Would it be a cardinal sin to install some relatively inexpensive woofers until the proper replacement comes along? I would like to have better than junk car subwoofers installed to hear in them. :-)
 
Not sure what you mean about the April 1st thing. Would it be a cardinal sin to install some relatively inexpensive woofers until the proper replacement comes along? I would like to have better than junk car subwoofers installed to hear in them. :-)



Normally selling for about $5-6K a set, JBL L300 speakers with an asking price of $180 OBO????

Sure, the original woofers will be expensive, and no, it would not be a sin to hook up cheap woofers temporarily.

What I meant to say was that at that price, I'd buy them even if they were on fire!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FugQmyQflVs
 
But if they are few and far between, I may get some good use out of them. Could sell them afterwards too.
 
And of course any good negotiator offers less...

Thanks for the video link. My laptop does not do it justice though.

Would these do for now? https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-dc380-8-15-classic-woofer--295-325
The 4 ohm car subs are probably not good for my receiver.

those would probably work for now, but that's $150 you could put towards a pair of 136A's


You need the assistance of the more technically astute to help here. Remember that this woofer should NOT be a sub as it is supposed to play (some) midrange as well. Also, it needs to work in a ported cabinet (as opposed to acoustic suspension) of the (approximately) correct internal volume.

Dayton makes some great drivers. Brad Muller makes a great point though...the $150 would certainly help toward buying a pair of correct drivers, for which in all sincerity, there is no substitute.
 
Do the weird subwoofers in the cabinet now work?
I know they are subwoofers and not at all in the frequency range
of the JBL 136As or the JBL 2235 replacement drivers (I have JBL 2234s in my custom L200s - a somewhat similar system)
- but if they play at all, that is something ...

How about the other drivers - are they working?

You can hook them up and play some music and use an empty cardboard tube (like from paper towels) put one end to your ear,
and use the tube close to each driver to isolate their sound and see what it sounds like coming from the horn midrange and the slot tweeters ...
 
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They do work... And it sounds good. The rest of the drivers work fine too. I just will have to check the specs of my receivers to make sure I can crank it up with out hurting anything.

I am sure you are right. What is that old advertising slogan "Accept no substitutes". :-)
 
In good shape with the right parts, grills, glass top and such they are worth over $2000. The fact that they are for sale for much less implies you need to put some money into them to make them right. It depends on how much money you are willing to work with to get these in good shape. Someone put non-standard woofers in them. So - if you are willing to drop $400-500 for the right woofers you can get them much closer to stock.
If not, let someone else know where they are so they can have a look at them and figure if they want to invest in a hacked-up pair of speakers.

He never had the original woofers... he thought they were the originals. He did not know what he had. I have sold them actually...

The speakers are no longer sold. I did some research on how easy it could be for a buyer to screw me using paypal, and I did not want to risk that. I think I will look to fix these speakers, probably gradually, as I get the money and parts.

Scroe of the year! Just use them as is until you can find/afford a pair of 136A woofers. I really doubt that anyone messed with the crossovers, as just getting to the components is a real chore. It sounds like you read my L300/PayPal horror story thread. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=599477
I don't take PayPal (fee) for expensive freight items anymore.

Not sure what you mean about the April 1st thing. Would it be a cardinal sin to install some relatively inexpensive woofers until the proper replacement comes along? I would like to have better than junk car subwoofers installed to hear in them. :-)

those would probably work for now, but that's $150 you could put towards a pair of 136A's

Sorry to pop in like this after 3 days of this thread. Interesting progression, buy/flip/retain. Personally, my answer is always to retain if you got such a great deal on most of the guts of the L300. Owning vintage JBL speakers, especially the more sought after models, takes some intestinal fortitude and many times some dollars. JBL's are built very well, generally sound good, and retain and many times increase their value over time. I know what I say, having owned 2 working pairs, plus 3 working pairs of the similar 4333/4331 pro monitors.

This is an iconic speaker design, one that sounds pretty good (depending on your tastes of course) and has a very distinct look and appearance, assuming the grilles are in good shape, and the veneers are ok or restorable, and the glass on top is ok. The glass is easily replicated by any glass shop, just be sure to put 1/4" black foamboard under them, and then get 1/4" beveled black or smoked glass cut to fit. Search AK about how to steam out scratches, lightly sand the veneer, and then use a good finishing method to renew their very considerable beauty - many like to use Howard Restor-A-Finish (light walnut or neutral here - dark walnut is too dark) followed by Feed-N-Wax. Or you could use a good Tung oil or Danish oil (with or without light walnut coloring). Either way, they can become a prized piece of furniture as well as speaker system, and you'll go a long way towards making them look good, enhancing their value.

As for the drivers, if the mid/horn and tweeter are playing, for now, no need to get into them or open them up. Yes, it is important to get the L91 or 2308 (JBL Professional number) slant acoustic lens to provide the proper midrange sound dispersion. They are available used from Ebay, or from Kenrick in Japan in reproductions, also available on Ebay. For now, you can use the speakers without them, just angle them in just a bit towards your listening position, but not fully towards you.

As for the woofers, suggest you search for the JBL professional model 2235H as the most common updated version of the original JBL 136A/136H - 2231A/2231H woofers, all of which are harder to find in good condition or quantity, and they tend to be a bit more expensive.

These speakers are, for some, fantastic sounding speakers, very easy to drive (efficient) and make a lot of different music sound wonderful. They have an effortless quality to them when driven with very good and powerful amplifiers.

However, for some, they can be a bit bright (easy to turn down with the front baffle controls) and can easily show bad recordings to be bad sounding, which some blame the speaker for. Some find that if they are elevated about 12 inches off the ground, the bass tightens up a lot by reducing floor reinforcement of the woofer. Of course, have help to lift and be very certain what you put them on top of can handle the weight and support them evenly.

Be forewarned that to do the above will require some $$$ over time saved up and spent as the parts become available. If you think the current woofers sound at least decent, leave them in and save up for the correct JBL woofers listed above. $150 in the right situation could buy one good JBL woofer already.

By slowly investing in getting the right woofers and the lenses (and slightly cracked ones may be cheaper but I think the repros are very good), and putting some of your own time (and maybe the wife's time) into restoring the cabinets, you'll have something that very few have, and many others want, at a price that will be a conversation and story for your lifetime. Pride of ownership and all that counts for something too.

Now, however, if your finances are tight, and your needs are greater, then IMHO, hang onto them, get them cleaned up as best you can, and take some time to decide what you will do with them. In their current condition, they can easily increase your investment, depending on whether you part out or get them shipped whole. Its a shame to part them out IMHO though, but that's me. Whole L300 systems are still pretty rare.
 
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