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Electrolytic Capacitor Rebuild -- Revisited

kvflyer

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-- This is a rebroadcast of a thread that I did long ago on the Antique Radio Forum website. When they did an upgrade, a lot of stuff disappeared. So I hope it helps. For those who are familiar with this, nothing new. --

Several members have asked about rebuilding electrolytic capacitors. What I prefer to work on is HH Scott amplifiers. I just like the way that they are built and sound. I also have excellent results with a restoration or for that matter, just to get one going. As you all know, the electrolytic capacitors are rather old, between 40 and 50 years old. The capacitors were never designed to last that long. However, some still survive. I will not be a hypocrite and tell you that every amplifier, tuner or receiver that I own have new electrolytic caps. They do not. But I carefully monitor the operation of them by sound (ears!) and feel (touch). They should never get warm unless heated by radiated heat from the tubes. What I want to show you is my approach to this issue. This is not the only way or the best way to go. It is the way that I have chosen to go because of pride in the accomplishment and frugality. I can rebuild a can for less than $10 and frankly, it is fun. Please realize that these pictures are not all of the same capacitor. I have done several caps and this is a compilation of photos. But you get the idea. First is the un-crimping of the aluminum can lip. This is dangerous and requires much care if you choose use this method. Always point the blade away from you; never hold the cap in your hand. I start by getting the blade under the crimped aluminum and working it gently up.

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I continue to raise the lip with the small screwdriver. (For those of you who worked for the Bell System, this was referred to as a dial screwdriver ;)).

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Here is a picture of the dial screwdriver. It is robust and has a fat handle. Works very well and is good for removing set screws from knobs too. Displayed next to an AUD $10 bill for size.

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After I get enough of the aluminum pried up, I use a pair of duck billed pliers to straighten the aluminum slightly. This allows the steel ring and "guts" to come out more easily.

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Next, we heat the outside of the can with a heat gun. Mine is a paint stripper gun but you could borrow your partner's hair dryer. Just remember to put it back where you found it or you will hear about it. (Look closely in the background and you may see an adult bevy. Obviously, this picture was taken in the evening!)

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Next, we see the insides of the can pulled out. Sometimes this is easy, sometimes it is a bear. I use welder's gloves to hold the heated can and pull the guts out carefully. You don't want to pull the lug out of the fiber disc.

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Here are the new electrolytic capacitors that will be inside of the can. They are much smaller and after searching the vendors' website, I found what I needed. **Note** Please keep in mind that if you are repairing the bias bridge capacitor of a Scott (or other brand) amplifier that the common lead will be Positive (+) as opposed the the more familiar negative (-). Do this incorrectly and you will be rewarded with destroyed new capacitors or even worse!!! It is a good idea to use 105˚C rated capacitors for increased reliability. You can use capacitors that are rated higher voltage. But I would not deviate much from the original value. For instance, if the original capacitor was a 50µFD value, the standard today would be 47µFD. Likewise if the value was 20µFD, the standard value to use is 22V.


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After I have the components mounted on the phenolic wafer and soldered to the lugs, I start by rolling the edge that I had pried up on the face of my cast iron vice. I roll back and forth and eventually most of the aluminum folds back over the wafer.

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After it is rolled as much as possible, I use a small light weight tack hammer to work my way around the edge carefully. I do this slowly because the aluminum is stretched and wants to bunch up. If I am patient, it smooths back down after going around the edge a couple of times.

Notice that there is a very small hold drilled next to the terminal for the leads of the new capacitors to pass through. Those leads are then just soldered to the existing lug. For the ground lug, you may have to use a very small file and make a groove in the phenolic mounting washer to allow the common lead to pass through the small opening.


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Over the years, I have accumulated a few NOS "FP" or "Twistlock" style capacitors. I cut them open and use the new, untwisted steel mounting ring. Most of the time when you try to get the old capacitor out, those tabs will snap off or become seriously compromised. Having a new one helps. I have noticed that there is much interchangeability between the different brands.
 
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Excellent write up. I've been meaning to try doing this at some point, seeing this is further encouragement. I'm impressed too at how 'unmolested' the re-crimped can edge turned out. It's amazing what metal will do if you're patient when working with it.

-Pat
 
good process. you can just grind down a small screwdriver to use exclusively for this job.
any old one will do.
this makes for a nicer result than cutting the can.
Im gonna try it next time.
 
Lots of different ways to do it. But the most important tool in the box is patience. Working too fast or unsafely will result with the end product being rubbish or worse, a puncture in your hand. The X-Acto knife is dangerous and sharp. It could slip or break.

BTW, here is a link to a slide show done by Bob Anderson. He has restored many, many televisions and in doing so, he he is often faced with capacitor replacement. Enjoy!

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/22501148
 
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Very nice. I am going to try this technique on the Scott I'm doing. I usually cut them a half inch to an inch up on a band saw, slowing turning it so I only cut through the metal then insert some schedule 80 PVC piping that usually has to be sanded down, then hot glue it all together. It works well for caps that have clamps. But I like your approach. Guess I'm going to have to pick up some radials, of couse I just ordered axials.. :)

-Tom
 
KV's original thread on ARF is what got me started on Re-stuffing. Very nice of him to repost it here so a new crop of tube guys learn a way of re-stuffing.
 
Should be a sticky IMO. Been wanting a good way to do this for awhile....

+1

There are a lot of times when buying an expensive modern twist-loc or restuffing the old one is the only option because there isn't room to install separate caps under the chassis. I can't say I enjoy restuffing caps or refoaming speakers, but they're essential aspects of the hobby.
 
Yes, thank you kvflyer! The biggest issue I have with doing this is the twist lock tabs getting brittle or shearing off entirely, so having new twist lock rings is essential for this to work right.

It would be really cool to find a source for those.
 
Yes, thank you kvflyer! The biggest issue I have with doing this is the twist lock tabs getting brittle or shearing off entirely, so having new twist lock rings is essential for this to work right.

It would be really cool to find a source for those.

Betcha there is somewhere. The tabs from the old condensers where they slid in between the can and the paper isolator has them loose, and would fit perfect. There's got to be a modern equivalent..
 
I try to keep a good stock of NOS cans, which are dirt cheap, just for the purpose of re-packing. You can also use them to hide stuff in. A SS screen regulator will fit in a short one easily, then you can drill a small hole on the side of the can, and install a black rubber grommet to adjust the trim pot without removing the bottom cover of the amp. It's nice to take the cans out of the original box, they always look perfect and shiny clean.
Great instructional thread btw. :thmbsp:
 
repurpose a old screwdriver with a grinder into a nice rounded chisel type tip to pry up the rolover. works much better than an exacto blade.
get the tip sharp as a razor to pry with. being rounded aslo makes for rocking it as you pry the rollover. goes pretty quik. I did a can yesterday to see how it worked. didnt even have to use heat to get the guts out. the gnd lugs were already broke off so just ground them to nuthing. I do my own thing with those anyway with copper wire and a BIG soldering. Works for me.
 
The Best!

Over the years I have seen a number of other tutorials on the same theme, but this is absolutely the best yet!
 
Yes - great job!

I also like to keep things 'original' by doing this. It comes in particularly handy with multiple caps in the same can. Modern caps are quite smaller than their original brothers, easing the job. I can echo the word "patience". I use a sharp point side-cutter to 'un-roll' the roll, but it leaves a few marks. I also found rolling back as described, doing it bit by bit using time, to work well. I sometimes work sealant carefully into the 'roll' for a hermetic seal, just before the final 'roll-back' or earlier.

Again, it takes time to work out neatly. (If a refurbish for someone else, do put a neat sticker on the can or the next person might think its still the original and replace it again!)
 
OK, I thought I did my restuffing neatly. This is far neater.

I thoroughly admire and heartily endorse your process.
 
Did one of these yesterday. Took about a half hour to open up. I found I needed to use several different size screwdrivers to fit aroing the terminals while prying.
 

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try making a chisel out of a screwdriver. sharpen it and round the cutting edge off a little to accomodate the curve of the can. You need the sharpness to get under the rim of the rollover to pry it up.
 
try making a chisel out of a screwdriver. sharpen it and round the cutting edge off a little to accomodate the curve of the can. You need the sharpness to get under the rim of the rollover to pry it up.

Yes, I did that and it definitely helps. Another thing that helped was wearing a pair of leather gloves, the sharp screwdriver slipping can get hairy around unprotected fingers!
 
I think the work necessary to pry up the rollover to gut the can is worth it for the "like stock" appearance it produces.
 
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