More issues with my CR-2020

poortom

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A follow up on my CR-2020 recap job and power transistor replacement. Now I have a new PS problem.

I replaced all four output transistors and finished recapping the power amp boards. I now have them reinstalled. I had previously installed the two output transistors in reverse locations in one of the boards, taking the original transistors out.

I did a burn-in the other night and everything seemed fine. Yesterday morning, the protection relay kicked in after about a half hour. Now it kicks in a minute or two after power-up. (Give or take)

The +- 40v (Or so) lines coming of the cap board look steady at first. Then after a few minutes, they start to rise together to +- 46volts or higher at times (The -40 gets more negative). At the same time these voltages are rising, the +-25 volt lines each drop (the -25 gets less negative) steadily at about the same rate. The protection relay drops out when they get to around +-18 volts respectively.

All I can figure is the +- 25 volt lines mostly powers the preamp circuit boards. I have not removed or messed with them yet. I can’t see what would be pulling or causing those voltages to drop together at the same rate.

What’s common to these +/ 25 other than the rectifier and caps back on the cap board? What would explain the incoming voltages to rise and the outgoing voltage to drop? Is it that the +-40 lines unloading?

This power supply board is kind of a mess. A lot of tracers were burned when I first got this unit. I’ve tried my best to repair them. I went through and re-soldered the 8 transistors having to do with these circuits. I did most of this repair work a couple of years ago and had it working pretty well before I started my recent recap job.

The 6 pin connector was replaced a couple of years ago and is pretty good yet. I recently installed a new protection relay.

I am a trained technician from many years ago but have never done much board-level troubleshooting work. Please bear with me!

Thanks, Tom
 

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Isolate the +/- 25 vdc from the rest of the unit. See if your PS issues remain. It sounds like your regulated +/- 25 v power supply has issues.
 
Thanks Avionic.

I pulled the brown and purple wires off the PS Posts. I noticed the same voltage drop after a period of time. I still think it's kinda weird that both voltages drop together at the same rate.

I forgot to mention (Or maybe admit here) that I had previously installed one of the 1000mf caps off the smaller rectifier backwards and it smoked after a few seconds. It was hard to discern which was the + side on the board. I didn't think it was a big deal so I just replaced it. Perhaps some of the transistors got damaged downstream on the PS board.

I also just for kicks pulled the PS board and checked the open voltage coming off the little rectifier. It held steady at +- 60 only drifting a little with household voltage I guess. Since this is unregulated power, I can see how it would jump up with no load.


I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and order up all 8 new transistors for that circuit. Does anyone have a quick parts/crossovers (Suggested upgrades?) list for these? I can pour over the schematic too. I'm not sure if these transistors are readily available or not.

Thanks, Tom
 
It was hard to discern which was the + side on the board
I know exactly which cap your referring to. And have addressed that issue in a CR-2020 thread some time ago. That is why you have to pay attention to detail when removing the old caps. Silk screening can be misleading.;)
 
I still think it's kinda weird that both voltages drop together at the same rate.
The regulated PS is a follower type supply. The - side tracks the + side.
If there are Zener diodes they should be checked out.(D715 -- 7.8v Zener)
D717 is for the 13.6 v supply.
 
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