Some Sherwood S-5500II info

gadget73

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Nothing exciting here, just a few corrections to the available schematic for the S5500-II. Mine is what I presume to be a late unit, serial number K39256 with date codes on the transformers from week 6, 1963.

Two main differences between my unit and the published schematic are the bias supply and the circuitry around the phase inverter.

Firstly the bias supply. On this one, it uses what amounts to a full wave center tap design, but the center lead is the voltage source and the ends of the transformer ground via the diodes and a drop resistor. This one in stock form also had a bias control pot that is not on the schematic. This can be seen here:

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In stock form, there is also no means of monitoring the current through the output tubes. The S5000 manual says to basically adjust it for peak power output and minimum distortion, which is not something Joe Homeowner can do. This is silly and needs to go away. To fix that, I modified one of Dave's designs for a Fisher and installed a bias/balance board with a set of test points on it. Schematic for the board is here:


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Some pics of the board in place. This isn't really mounted, its essentially sitting there on a blob of hot snot currently. I need to make some spacers to stand it off the chassis and mount it permanently, but basically its sitting where the old bias pot was and where it will live once its screwed down. The wire terminals are the test points, and are arranged in the order the tubes physically sit in the amplifier. The center one is ground.

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The test points are wired to the cathodes of the output tubes. The cathodes ground through the typical 10 ohm resistor method. A handy-dandy 10 conductor cable gets connection to and from the output tubes. Wiring this in does require breaking the common bias feed connection as well. To make this land all neatly, the stock 2 post terminal strips (ground + isolated terminal) need to be changed to a 3 post. Mine are in the mail, so no pics until I get them in. Included is a pic of the stock setup with the cathode resistors in place. You can see the stock terminal strip for the bias feed where the resistors are soldered.

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Unfortunately the stock bias supply rig doesn't provide enough voltage to make the bias/balance rig work properly. On to re-working the supply a bit to get some more juice. Essentially all I did here was remove the 22 ohm resistor from the positive side of the supply and move it to the negative side. This gave me another 6.5 volts negative on the supply, which was plenty enough to get the tubes to bias properly. In the process I realized that a 12ax7 heater wired in parallel is a 21 ohm resistor. In stock form, the phase inverter for the right channel is DC heated, and the inverter on the left side is AC heated. A small wiring change gets both of these on DC heat, and several watts of heat out from under the chassis. It also slightly unloads the power transformer. Nothing earth shattering here, but its basically free.

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I'll post other stuff as I get there. This is a work in progress, and interest in working on it is variable with temperature. The colder it gets, the less inclined I am to work in the shop.

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The other difference is fairly minor. On this unit, all of the circuitry around the inverter tube connecting the voltage amplifier section of the 12ax7 to the inverter section is in a single PEC. On the schematic it appears to be made of a PEC and several discreet components. Here is the schematic of the internal workings of this PEC and it's part number equivalents.

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This is the part itself. Its a PEC, its just not that exciting.
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Awesome post, I've got a 5500-IV so I'll be watching this thread closely. Thanks for sharing this!
 
Spent last night logging data. I made up a bunch of charts showing the frequency response. The good news is that if you set everything to flat and turn off the loudness, its flat to +/- 0.5db from 20 to 20k. There is also a pretty stunning range of cut and boost available. Personally I think the loudness function is over-boosted, but this does vary by volume position. I did this testing with the volume control right around the 1/2 way point. No special method to pick a position was used, I set the output on the ST1700A to max and used the volume control to get a 1w 0db level with the tone controls set flat and the loudness off. I left the volume control there and did all testing from that point, re-adjusting the 1700a as needed to maintain as close to the original 1w 0db point as possible.

Without further blathering, some pretty pictures:
This is loudness on vs loudness off. All tone controls are set to flat, no filters are in use.
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This shows the action of the hi and lo filter controls. These were tested individually, not together.

freq response filters.jpg

And this is the tone controls. Individual tests made for full bass boost, full bass cut, full treble boost and full treble cut.

freq response tone controls.jpg

As you can see, the loudness bass boost is pretty extreme. I plan to look into that circuit more closely and see if I can tame it some. Its quite frankly too much to make use of. Also it has no treble boost, which I believe it is supposed to have. Possible something is funny there.
 
Mine also has way too much bass boost, and no aurally apparent treble boost. I leave it bypassed. The balance on mine has never worked correctly either though, so it there could be something wrong in my unit.
 
Looking at the graphs in the manual, it doesn't really seem to indicate any treble boost so I guess thats just how it is. It says that it boosts treble, but when the factory documentation doesn't seem to bear that out, I guess you can't believe all that you read.

I put a 10k resistor across the loudness switch and now at 20hz I have 6.5db of boost instead of 13.5. Its probably still way too much, but it least it edges out of the land of insane. It will likely still remain off. Maybe when I actually put it back on speakers I'll see what it sounds like and play with the resistor value. Basically less resistance = less loudness boost.

I like loudness slightly, but most of them I feel are way too much. I've got my friend's Phase Linear preamp here at the moment, and it has the nicest loudness function I've heard. Not sure how much it bumps things by, but its very little. Just enough to notice if you A/B it but not so much that you don't actually have to flip the switch to listen for it.
 
Thanks. I just notice something, there seems to be another version of the S-5500 III, this one has only one can cap to the left of the output transformers, as viewed from the front, and two additional can caps behind the power transformer ...

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The knobs on these units just suck. But man . . . what a great way to experience the magic of the 7868/7591 on a budget!
 
The knobs on these units just suck
Hi, could you elaborate on this a bit by what you mean by this statement?I have an S8000 and I would not describe the knobs as “sucking”. Curious as to why you describe them in this manner.

(This is a friendly inquiry.)
 
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The ones on my S-7000 got sort of chalky and flaked some degraded plastic off. They also deform slightly and turn a bit yellow where people touch them. The volume knob is definitely more on the tan side than the others.
 
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