What are some amplifier models with adjustable feedback?

tomlinmgt

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I have a Tube Audio Design TAD-60 (actually, I have two) and one of its features is adjustable feedback. It's like a soft tone control, or perhaps more accurately like the old "timbre" control I remember on my parents' old Magnavox console. Anyway, I really like this feature and was wondering what, if any, other tube amplifiers employ it?
 
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If you see an amp with "variable damping", thats pretty much what you're looking at. Not quite precisely the same thing but it has a similar effect. It was a "thing" in the mid-late 50s before it was generally agreed that amps should have the lowest possible output impedance and it went away.
 
Acrosound Ultralinear II had it.
McIntosh offered it as a kit for MC30 amplifiers. Possibly others as well.
I'm sure this list is far from complete.
I also tend to remove the circuitry and run the full ammount of feedback.
Both pair sound absolutely stellar that way.
 
Many of the Audio Space models have adjustable negative feedback. It is quite fun to play with it, it can change the sound of the system fairly dramatically.

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Any Fisher with a Z-matic knob has adjustable feedback. See this discussion: https://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/fisher-70az-what-is-z-matic.318721/.

The owner of Tube Audio Designs and the designer of all their products (including the TAD-60 I have) evidently was a well known and respected authority for Fisher tube amps. I suppose the implementation of an adjustable feedback control on his creations came from the z-matic control you mention. Except I think the control on my TAD-60 adjusts for negative feedback, unlike the z-matic which adjusts for positive feedback.
 
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Z-Matic is Fisher's name for variable damping. Other makers called it different things but it generally worked in a similar way. Its not a straightforward variable NFB, but it has a similar effect in that it increases output impedance just like less NFB does.

Its not positive feedback exactly either, its more strictly speaking current feedback rather than voltage feedback. Typical NFB is a tap off the output transformer. It just takes the output voltage and feeds a portion of that back to the input. If the load drags the voltage down, you get less feedback signal so it bumps the output. Effectively it makes the amp less sensitive to output loading and flattens frequency response. Current feedback is typically done as a resistor between the output transformer 0 ohm lead and speaker negative. As the speaker draws current, voltage is developed across that resistor and thats where your feedback comes from. No speaker load, no voltage, no feedback. Typically amps used a combination of voltage and current feedback as part of the variable damping setup. The Z-matic control just adjusts how much of that current feedback you get.



This is an 80AZ schematic but it should be essentially the same circuit on all of these

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The voltage feedback is the 2.2k off the 16 ohm tap. The 330 ohm to ground forms the voltage divider to set what % of the output voltage comes back to the input tube. Output of that goes to the junction of the 1k pot R5 and S2.

The current feedback system is the two 1 ohm resistors between the output transformer C terminal and ground.

Notice the speaker GND terminal pulls current through one or both depending what position S1-B is in.

As the speaker pulls current, voltage is developed across those resistors. That voltage feeds to the other end of R5.

Depending where you have R5 set controls how much of the feedback to V1A cathode comes from voltage and how much comes from current feedback.
 
Variable negative feedback increases distortion while it reduces damping. It is basically a way to add some distortion to the music to add artificial warmth and depth in modern amplifiers.

Fischer's Z Matic and other comparable circuits were more about controlling output impedance than negative feedback, as gadget explains above. They were intended for certain of the era's speakers which expected a current source. Almost no modern speakers expect a current source, since ideal voltage source solid state amps have already been the norm for a couple generations.
 
hm I guess that didn't paste right, didn't notice. Anyway this is the schematic I was referring to.

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also just a mention, if switch S2 is closed, the current feedback is turned off, the resistor on the speaker negative lead is bypassed, and you get essentially a Fisher 80A.
 
I've seen them added to guitar amps.

My 1962 Fender Pro has an adjustable feedback circuit (via a variable resistor and fixed cap network). Fender called it a PRESENCE control. It does affect the mid-high response, a little. Not much really.

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