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Citation II Project Painted Chassis Cleaning

The transformer paint was a Kona by Rustoleum, the second Deuce I did used Krylon leather color and its a bit closer to the original. The faceplate was in OK shape and I decided to leave it alone. Both amps sounded great when finished and in the end, they WERE totally worth the effort. They will be good for many years to come.

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The amp came out great!! Heres a shot of the completed unit.
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BTW the color for the citation II transformers varied depending on the manufacturer source since they finished the transformers when they made them for HK. Contrary to popular belief, there were three manufacturers...Freed,Chicago Standard(Stancor) and Magnetics Windings Inc.). Freed was the first therefore the part number stars with FT. When Freed first supplied the transformers, they were very close in color to the chassis' charcoal brown. As we began using the better performing transformers from the other two companies, they shifted to a more"reddish color".
Nick Balsamo
A former HK employee in Engineering - 1958 - 1964
 
BTW the color for the citation II transformers varied depending on the manufacturer source since they finished the transformers when they made them for HK. Contrary to popular belief, there were three manufacturers...Freed,Chicago Standard(Stancor) and Magnetics Windings Inc.). Freed was the first therefore the part number stars with FT. When Freed first supplied the transformers, they were very close in color to the chassis' charcoal brown. As we began using the better performing transformers from the other two companies, they shifted to a more"reddish color".
Nick Balsamo
A former HK employee in Engineering - 1958 - 1964

In what ways were the later transformers better performers?
 
In what ways were the later transformers better performers?
They had lower leakage inductance and the distributed capacity figures were improved. They also were more consistent from transformer to transformer. The exit hole for the transformer wires were better protected from abrasion and B+ arc overs. .Freed just had an unprotected hole for the wires whereas the other two manufacturers had the metal hole protected with a brass grommet or a fiber glass sleeve extending beyond the hole. If my memory serves me right ,Chicago Standard used the brass Grommet and Magnetic Windings,Inc. used the fiberglass sleeve. Freed was a common vendor resource to HK for many other transformer needs including power, output and chokes. Freed turned out quality products especially for the military and commercial market and of course they were local to us in Brooklyn, NY.
Nick balsamo
 
They had lower leakage inductance and the distributed capacity figures were improved. They also were more consistent from transformer to transformer. The exit hole for the transformer wires were better protected from abrasion and B+ arc overs. .Freed just had an unprotected hole for the wires whereas the other two manufacturers had the metal hole protected with a brass grommet or a fiber glass sleeve extending beyond the hole. If my memory serves me right ,Chicago Standard used the brass Grommet and Magnetic Windings,Inc. used the fiberglass sleeve. Freed was a common vendor resource to HK for many other transformer needs including power, output and chokes. Freed turned out quality products especially for the military and commercial market and of course they were local to us in Brooklyn, NY.
Nick balsamo

Hopefully not going too far off topic here -

Nick, love the inside info! Didn't HK continue to source from all three of those vendors for the CII with improvements incorporated per HK spec? This may be purely cosmetic, but I have one with Freed transformers that have exit hole grommets AND fiberglass sleeving.
 
I think a lot of people are fascinated about the inner workings of HK at the time. :lurk:

I don't care what they did to produce it, but I think they did something right, especially for the time.
The Citation I is equally appealing to me.

Westy
 
They had lower leakage inductance and the distributed capacity figures were improved. They also were more consistent from transformer to transformer. The exit hole for the transformer wires were better protected from abrasion and B+ arc overs. .Freed just had an unprotected hole for the wires whereas the other two manufacturers had the metal hole protected with a brass grommet or a fiber glass sleeve extending beyond the hole. If my memory serves me right ,Chicago Standard used the brass Grommet and Magnetic Windings,Inc. used the fiberglass sleeve. Freed was a common vendor resource to HK for many other transformer needs including power, output and chokes. Freed turned out quality products especially for the military and commercial market and of course they were local to us in Brooklyn, NY.
Nick balsamo
Thanks for posting! It's nice to hear from people that were in the industry in its heyday
 
No, We used up current stock . Keep in mind, any time we changed vendors for a direct part swap, we kept the original part numbers to avoid confusion on the production bill of materials. In this case when we sourced the original transformers from Freed it carried the letters "FT" as a prefix along with the part number. Our Electrolytic twist log "cans" for instance always start with the prefix "JE" , yet most of the time they were sourced from Astron in NJ. (The best electrolytic ever made). In fact all my Citation gear still has all the original capacitors and still meets hum and noise specs as well as less than 1 ma leakage per section.

Nick Balsamo
 
So would the large metered Cit II have the freed transformers on them?, or did they mix manufacturers from the beginning?
 
So would the large metered Cit II have the freed transformers on them?, or did they mix manufacturers from the beginning?
Large meter Citation II's were 1959 vintage and also had less ventilation holes in the chassis. They were likely all Freed transformers. I believe by the time we approved them,we didn't use the better transformers until late 1960.
 
No, We used up current stock . Keep in mind, any time we changed vendors for a direct part swap, we kept the original part numbers to avoid confusion on the production bill of materials. In this case when we sourced the original transformers from Freed it carried the letters "FT" as a prefix along with the part number. Our Electrolytic twist log "cans" for instance always start with the prefix "JE" , yet most of the time they were sourced from Astron in NJ. (The best electrolytic ever made). In fact all my Citation gear still has all the original capacitors and still meets hum and noise specs as well as less than 1 ma leakage per section.

Nick Balsamo

I don't have any experience with Astron electrolytics, but I've encountered a few Royalitics that have survived 50-60 years in proper working condition.
 
Mine seems to be a later unit, with the small meter, full vent holes and dark painted FT marked xfrmrs with the grommets and bushing. :dunno:
 
Does he make a new faceplate or takes the old one and grind the lettering off and then silkscreen it again?

Grinds and redoes the silk screening. I rebuilt a Citation II this summer for a friend, he's awaiting getting the faceplate done.
 
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