CR-1020 popping loudly, what is destroying these transistors?

saabracer23

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I have a CR-1020 that made a wooshing noise and popping in one channel. I had just gotten it and only played it for maybe 5 minutes before turning it off and digging in. I’ve read the popping issue could be due to bad solder joints which I checked everywhere. I found the issue on one of the daughter boards in the preamp, pre module D
Transistor TR572. I traced a distorted waveform through the preamp section until I found where it began.
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I could see that this board was worked on before as the transistor that was bad was an NTE part and one both board D and E there is a trace repair at the very top. The trace repair is in the exact same spot on both boards which I find odd.

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Since I found the issue in went in for a full restore. All electrolytics changed, power supply rebuilt with new resistors, new bias trimmers, new thermal compound and insulators for the outputs, and reflowed pretty much the entire power supply section.

Anyways, the bad transistor measured on my Peak Atlas meter as a darlington instead of a silicon. I figured the NTE was a darlington.

I relplaced all 8 transistors on boards D and E so they were matching. The originals were 2SC1775 and 2SA872. I placed KSC1845 and KSA992.

After placing the new transistors the popping and wooshing was completely gone. I started burning it in to make sure all was good. It sounded amazing, for about 20 minutes. What a bummer. It started making really loud popping noises and out of both speakers now. I mean violent pops, they were scaring me lol. I thought maybe bad solder and started tapping everywhere and it didn’t help. On a whim I pulled both of the pre module boards D and E. (D and E are identical)

Sure enough, both of the number 2 transistors (TR572 on both boards) From each board have been damaged. They are now measuring as darlington transistors on my device, they’re KSC1845s.

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What could be damaging these transistors?

Dan
 
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I went ahead and threw a pair of new KSC1845s on the boards and put them back into the Yamaha so I could measure the voltages at the pre module boards. The two boards were identical obviously since the share the rail traces. Each had +27.82V on the positive pin and -27.82V on the negative pin. On the others (in, out, and earth) there was no voltage at all, which is good. The voltages on the + and - rails look to be about a volt high, though not the issue I would think.

In the 20-30 seconds it took me to measure the voltages on those 14 pins it managed to kill one of the brand new KSC1845s in TR572s position. Its killing faster, it must be stopped!

It turned the transistor into a zener diode. Weird.

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Dan

Oh and P.S. I also wanted to mention that on these two pre module boards I changed the electrolytics of course, checked the ceramic caps and they were good along with all of the resistors, they all measured pretty much spot on. The original MV12R diodes were replaced with a pair of IN4148s.
 
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Are your MV12 subs properly oriented ?

They were replaced with a pair of 1N4148s in series and yes they are in correctly.

Hmm schematic has different part numbers..2SC1509 and 2SA777 ...

I saw that, but the entire amp is filled with the 2SC1775 and 2SA872. Maybe a mid production change???

Did you do the trace repair on those two boards?

I did not. The trace repair you see and the NTE transistors that we’re on these boards was the only evidence I saw of someone else in here. Not sure why the repair was needed as I can’t see anything that would rub the trace away. Either way, it has perfect continuity.

Dan
 
Perhaps whoever installed the NTE's and repaired the traces substituted in the wrong replacements.
 
Are there emitter resistors still 10Ω ?
Are the base resistors still 220Ω ?

Yes and yes.

Are beefier transistors than the 2SC1775 and 2SA872 ..

That is true, and beefier than the KSC1845 in some aspects. I guess I shouldn’t say they were used everywhere, just the preamp section. Weird that it’s only taking out those two.

Do you suggest I replace all 8 transistors with beefier ones. Do you have any suggestions. Too much current huh???

Dan
 
2SC1509 --- 512-KSC2690AYS
2SA777--- 512-KSA1220AYS

out of curiosity, only to find a smaller package, the 2690/1220 seem to be way overkill which is a good thing lol.

What are your thoughts on the KSC2383/KSA1013 as replacements? Not quite as robust, but have several as well and be far easier to place. If not then the 2690/1220 will go in.

Dan
 
Looks like your getting pretty proficient at removing those boards.:biggrin:
 
Had it on for an hour and not a single pop. I think we’re good. I’ll burn it in for a couple of days on some sacrificial speakers before hooking it up to the good stuff.

Dan
 
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