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I has shot both new Pythons and SW 686. I chose the 686.
IMHO modern Colt is Colt in name only.
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IMHO modern Colt is Colt in name only.
Could not agree more. The only revolver better than a 686 is a Manurhin (though I also like my SP101).
Well you know what they say about opinions and everyone having one. lol
I haven't fired the new Python yet but I've handled one. I have shot an older model a couple times and it was awesome. That's why I always wanted one.
Just about every review I've seen on the new Pythons have been very positive. If they were as junky as you guys claim, I think we'd be seeing a whole lot more negative reviews than we are.
The fact that Colt kind of tested the waters in 2022 and sold every one they produced before they made it out the door encouraged them to release the current expanded lineup of 18 different iterations. I wanted a blued one.
Here's a video from a guy who has both. He doesn't claim to be an expert. Just a regular guy like me who really doesn't have a stake in the game. Just likes Pythons.
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Here are some of the differences between the old vs new Pythons..
The new Colt Python features a simplified, more robust internal mechanism, a 30% thicker frame under the rear sight, whereas vintage models relied on hand-fitted "V" springs, labor-intensive manufacturing.
The modernized revolver improves upon durability and ease of maintenance, while collectors often favor the vintage models for their legendary hand-tuned triggers and historical prestige. The key differences span the following categories:
Internal Design & Durability
Trigger & Action
Sights & Barrel
Fit, Finish & Materials
So as you can see, they are not exactly the same but there have been a lot of technological advances in machine tool technologies since the original Pythons were produced. Of course Colt is going to use modern CNC technology.
One thing that wasn't mentioned above is the new Pythons are made from superior alloy steels than the originals.
I think you'll find thta a lot of the negativity surrounding the new Pythons is because owners of vintage Pythons are afraid their classics will now lose value. Now that Colt has released what a lot of people believe is an improved version, owners of the vintage Pythons are afraid their overpriced older versions will lose value.
The same was true when Colt released the newer 1911 pistols. Most objective reviewers admitted the newer versions of the 1911 were superior to the older ones. Far superior.
The new Colt Python features a simplified, more robust internal mechanism, a 30% thicker frame under the rear sight, whereas vintage models relied on hand-fitted "V" springs, labor-intensive manufacturing.
The modernized revolver improves upon durability and ease of maintenance, while collectors often favor the vintage models for their legendary hand-tuned triggers and historical prestige. The key differences span the following categories:
Internal Design & Durability
- Parts Count: Modern Pythons use a simplified lockwork with fewer internal parts, which dramatically increases long-term reliability and reduces internal friction.
- Mainspring: The vintage models use a traditional flat "V" spring, while the new versions use a more resilient "U" shape (coil-style) mainspring.
- Ignition System: The new Python relies on a modern transfer bar mechanism, whereas vintage guns utilized a hammer stop setup.
- Frame Strength: The top strap of the frame (above the cylinder) was thickened by about 30% to handle a steady diet of heavy .357 Magnum loads without stretching the frame over time.
Trigger & Action
- The "Stacking" Effect: The old Pythons are famous for their incredibly smooth, hand-fitted double-action trigger pull, though they possessed noticeable "stacking" (an increase in pull weight) just before breaking.
- Feel: The new trigger pull is generally lighter overall but does not allow the shooter to feel the cylinder lock up the exact same way as the classic, completely hand-timed models.
- Trigger Face: The vintage triggers are deeply curved with a round, serrated face. New production models feature a flatter, curved face with serrations.
Sights & Barrel
- Front Sight: Older Pythons have a pinned front sight, while modern variants use a hex/Allen screw to allow users to easily swap out blades (e.g., swapping for fiber-optic sights).
- Barrel Manufacturing: The new Pythons are made using modern CNC machinery with a different, slightly pronounced muzzle crown.
Fit, Finish & Materials
- Material Availability: Vintage Pythons were famously offered in Colt's renowned hand-polished "Royal Blue" finish, as well as nickel and stainless. New models are now produced in high-polished stainless steel, Royal Blue, and Matte Blue finishes.
- Hand-Fitting: Old Pythons required skilled gunsmiths to hand-fit the lockwork (causing the "hand" or pawl to wear down and sometimes result in timing issues). New Pythons use CNC processes, trading the absolute perfection of vintage "jeweled" actions for superior durability and easier part replacement.
So as you can see, they are not exactly the same but there have been a lot of technological advances in machine tool technologies since the original Pythons were produced. Of course Colt is going to use modern CNC technology.
One thing that wasn't mentioned above is the new Pythons are made from superior alloy steels than the originals.
I think you'll find thta a lot of the negativity surrounding the new Pythons is because owners of vintage Pythons are afraid their classics will now lose value. Now that Colt has released what a lot of people believe is an improved version, owners of the vintage Pythons are afraid their overpriced older versions will lose value.
The same was true when Colt released the newer 1911 pistols. Most objective reviewers admitted the newer versions of the 1911 were superior to the older ones. Far superior.
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usedto
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I gave wifey a 4" 686 for Christmas a few years back. Real sweetheart gun.
(edit - bought it in 2011 - $750 plus tax.)
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usedto
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Another issue with the 410 - the front sight bead is missing, and the strap swivel came off the barrel. Looks like the solder failed. And, I assumed the bead was also soldered. Given what gunsmiths charge, it might cost more than the gun is worth to repair it. I found another barrel online for around $70, but don't know if it still has the bead in tact. Then I got to looking closer and found that the bead hole is threaded. A quick google and found the thread pitch is M2.6 X 0.45. Another search came up with only fiber-optic sights. $12 + $10 shipping.
A little more snooping, and found a place that sells a package of 6ea. M2.6 X 0.45 Allen screws for $2.95 pus shipping. I know they're not a "bead", but should look more original than a big fiber-optic glob. We'll see when they get here.
I'll deal with the strap swivel later.
A little more snooping, and found a place that sells a package of 6ea. M2.6 X 0.45 Allen screws for $2.95 pus shipping. I know they're not a "bead", but should look more original than a big fiber-optic glob. We'll see when they get here.
I'll deal with the strap swivel later.
The operative words in your post. Some folks like Advent speakers, some like Klipsch, etc. Same with guns.
The 686 is awesome too. I wouldn't mind having either one of them to tell you the truth. There are other .357s out there I wouldn't mind having too but I just always wanted a Python and the new ones are definitely not junk. The quality seems very nice. I regretted not buying one when they were still being made in the 1990s. I wasn't willing to spend $5,000 for one afterwards but now they are back and a lot more affordable so I'm getting one. They still aren't cheap though. $1600 is a lot of money for a revolver.
Here's the AI overview:
Smith & Wesson 686 vs Colt Python
The Smith & Wesson 686 and Colt Python are premier .357 Magnum revolvers, but they serve slightly different needs. The S&W 686 (often $900–$1,100) is a rugged, utilitarian workhorse favored for daily shooting and personal defense. The Colt Python ($1,500+) is a legendary, hand-finished showpiece prized for its luxury, classic design, and buttery-smooth trigger.
At-a-Glance Comparison
Key Differences
· Action & Trigger: The Python is widely celebrated for having one of the silkiest double-action and single-action triggers straight out of the factory. The 686 trigger is more than adequate and excellent for a factory gun, but many owners opt to install aftermarket springs to match the Colt's feel.
· Ergonomics & Reloads: The S&W cylinder latch (pushed forward) is universally praised for its fluidity during fast reloads. The Colt latch (pulled backward) requires a deliberate shift in the shooting hand, which takes getting used to
Aesthetics: The Python features a distinct vented rib on the barrel and an incredibly deep, polished finish. The 686 is a classic stainless steel revolver with a solid, no-nonsense profile.
Which One Should You Pick?
· Choose the S&W 686 if you want a rugged, all-weather shooter or if you want the 7-round "686 Plus" variant for extra capacity. It is a slightly better "value" for hard daily use.
· Choose the Colt Python if you want a premium, iconic revolver with an exceptional finish and trigger. It commands a premium price tag but acts as a gorgeous collector's item that shoots beautifully.
Like I mentioned above, $1,600 is a lot of money to spend on a revolver and it will be the most-expensive handgun I have ever purchased but it is still a lot less than you could buy a Python for prior to 2020.
Smith & Wesson 686 vs Colt Python
The Smith & Wesson 686 and Colt Python are premier .357 Magnum revolvers, but they serve slightly different needs. The S&W 686 (often $900–$1,100) is a rugged, utilitarian workhorse favored for daily shooting and personal defense. The Colt Python ($1,500+) is a legendary, hand-finished showpiece prized for its luxury, classic design, and buttery-smooth trigger.
At-a-Glance Comparison
| Feature | Smith & Wesson 686 | Colt Python (2020+ re-engineered) |
| Capacity | 6 or 7 rounds (686 Plus) | 6 rounds |
| Cylinder Latch | Push-forward to open (highly intuitive) | Pull-back latch (requires slight grip shift) |
| Barrel Design | Solid underlug, plain top strap | Vented rib, target crown |
| Trigger | Smooth, utilitarian, and easily customized | World-renowned, mirror-smooth out of the box |
| Price (MSRP) | Starts around $1,019 | ~$1,499 |
Key Differences
· Action & Trigger: The Python is widely celebrated for having one of the silkiest double-action and single-action triggers straight out of the factory. The 686 trigger is more than adequate and excellent for a factory gun, but many owners opt to install aftermarket springs to match the Colt's feel.
· Ergonomics & Reloads: The S&W cylinder latch (pushed forward) is universally praised for its fluidity during fast reloads. The Colt latch (pulled backward) requires a deliberate shift in the shooting hand, which takes getting used to
Aesthetics: The Python features a distinct vented rib on the barrel and an incredibly deep, polished finish. The 686 is a classic stainless steel revolver with a solid, no-nonsense profile.
Which One Should You Pick?
· Choose the S&W 686 if you want a rugged, all-weather shooter or if you want the 7-round "686 Plus" variant for extra capacity. It is a slightly better "value" for hard daily use.
· Choose the Colt Python if you want a premium, iconic revolver with an exceptional finish and trigger. It commands a premium price tag but acts as a gorgeous collector's item that shoots beautifully.
Like I mentioned above, $1,600 is a lot of money to spend on a revolver and it will be the most-expensive handgun I have ever purchased but it is still a lot less than you could buy a Python for prior to 2020.
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Here a guy reviews the new 5" blued Python (the model I am leaning towards)...
So many people skip cleaning off the protective coating and adding decent lube before using. That may improve the trigger.
The person that purchased the K.C. put in a spring kit after we talked about it. He was just wanting it to be a safe and range queen. Handled it after the kit was in and the trigger is outstanding!
The person that purchased the K.C. put in a spring kit after we talked about it. He was just wanting it to be a safe and range queen. Handled it after the kit was in and the trigger is outstanding!
Here's a guy that likes the S&W better than the Python.
SoCal Sam
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I looked at a couple of used Ruger GP100's. They had forcing cone erosion which is no go.
SoCal Sam
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Colt vs. Smith vs. Ruger assessment from master tuner Mike Heffron:
www.heffronprecision.com
The Heffron Precision Blog By: Mike Heffron
Discussion of various jobs, theories, tips, and suggestions.
The iconic revolvers used in the 1973 film "Magnum Force".
Top: The Smith & Wesson Model 29. Clint Eastwood's iconic .44 Magnum, featuring a striking deep blue finish and a 6.5-inch barrel.
Bottom: The Colt Python. The signature sidearm of the "motorcycle cop" vigilante squad. These blued .357 Magnum revolvers with 4-inch barrels served as a direct thematic foil to Harry’s larger .44.
Top: The Smith & Wesson Model 29. Clint Eastwood's iconic .44 Magnum, featuring a striking deep blue finish and a 6.5-inch barrel.
Bottom: The Colt Python. The signature sidearm of the "motorcycle cop" vigilante squad. These blued .357 Magnum revolvers with 4-inch barrels served as a direct thematic foil to Harry’s larger .44.