I think that vintage tapes are better than vintage vinyl.

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I mentioned earlier that I had acquired an Otari tape machine. Since then, my interest in tape has mostly revolved around recording high‑resolution digital sources onto tape with very good results, especially when the original music source was an old analog master.

Recently, while buying some vintage electronics on Craigslist for my next project, the seller asked if I might also be interested in some vintage pre-recorded tapes he had for sale. They had apparently been inherited from his grandfather. I decided to take a look. He brought out two large boxes filled with 7‑inch tapes, all dating from 1956 to 1965. Some genres didn’t interest me much, like Christmas music or movie soundtracks, but I selected a batch of tapes that seemed promising. All of them were recorded on acetate tape at 7.5 ips. Most were 4‑track stereo, with a few 2‑track tapes as well. The condition was excellent—some were still sealed and had never been played. I offered him about $1.50 per tape, and he accepted.

Back home, I started listening. My Otari can play both 15 ips and 7.5 ips tapes with either NAB or CCIR equalization, so I set it to 7.5 ips, 4‑track NAB mode, and selected a reference fluxivity of 185 nWb/m.

The first thing I noticed was the hiss level: much higher than what I’m used to with contemporary RTM tape. I expected this, since I’ve heard similar hiss on high‑resolution transfers of vintage masters (you can find many on Qobuz and elsewhere). Even so, the hiss was still less intrusive than groove noise on vinyl records of the same era. Another obvious issue is a cross talk in 4-track tapes. I could hear faint sound from opposite track in pauses. Strangely level of that cross-talk varied, like track position on tape was not uniform for different tapes.
The tapes were in great physical shape, leaving only a tiny amount of oxide dust after running through the Otari. Sound quality varied significantly—much more than between different vinyl pressings. Two tapes were duds, with audio quality resembling AM radio. But the others generally exceeded the sound quality of vinyl records from the same period. Based on this experience, if you own a tape machine, 60‑year‑old tapes may actually be a better bet than 60‑year‑old vinyl.

I was also surprised by the original retail prices. Many tapes still had printed or stickered prices of $7–10, which was a lot of money in 1960.
I logged all of these tapes into my Discogs collection and was pleasantly surprised to see that their average sale price is around $30 each. So if I ever decide to part with them, I should be able to make a nice profit.
 
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The reel to reel decks/players were popular for awhile with serious audiophiles but never went dominant with the rank and file consumers. The better units were fairly expensive and the onset of cassettes/cassette players started the decline in demand for the R2R. Concurrently, demand for the pre-recorded tapes was never great and interest in the R2R tapes also faded out. I have an extensive collection of commercial prerecorded tapes and play them often. I also have a large collection of tapes I made from vinyl media while in the service. It was common then [60's/70's] for the audio crowd to get their new vinyl and tape it off to reel to reel and preserve the quality of the LP by playing the tape vice the vinyl media. Another thing was the claim the tape version properly cared for was that it would last at least "30!!!" years. Well the tapes have pretty much lived up to that claim, but good R2R decks/recorders have not. The buying of prerecorded tape is now a crap shoot. Some commercial tapes were well produced with quality tape [Ampex, MagTape, Bell & Howell, etc], but many were not. Most of the high quality labels listed the tape used to make them and they mostly top quality. The real issue on potential selling/profit at this point is going to be demand. The R2R community is small so the demand will be only for hard to find top quality tapes in boxes that are near new condition. $30 dollar a tape will be realistic only for high demand, scarce, pristine material. Unopened tapes are sought after by collectors and that material will bring more money. You can sell most prerecorded tapes if you price them realistically. $30.00 reel to reel prerecorded tapes are uncommon so don't price yourself out of the market.

Used tape condition is key and I will buy tape with a return/evaluation caveat to the seller. Improper tape handling & storage is vital to prevent mildew, stacking, stretched and broken/spliced tape. EBay is a good source of used tapes because you can return a tape that is damaged. The only way to verify a tape is to play it. If you have tapes with popular 60's& 70's artist and good labels with known high quality tapes you can make some money. I often get tapes that have the first 12-18 inches all creased and crinkled ends with no leaders. These tapes are suspect as this is an indicator of a tape that did not get proper handling or storage. Target your pricing based upon The Artist =>The tape box => tape condition. Read up in this forum to learn about the care, handling, and storage of tapes to properly evaluate them for sale/pricing. It's a tough market!
 
But the others generally exceeded the sound quality of vinyl records from the same period. Based on this experience, if you own a tape machine, 60‑year‑old tapes may actually be a better bet than 60‑year‑old vinyl.
I have found this to be true in many cases.
"Time Out" by Dave Brubeck is one example, in my opinion.
Also, "Workshop" by Chet Atkins.
 
I am not really interested in 1970s tapes. By that time duplication process was dumbed down and vinyl manufacturing improved. Also most LPs from 1970s are in much better shape, probably due to wide availability of good cartridges. Most of vintage vinyl from late 1950s and early 1960s I ever purchased was not in the best condition (even when looked very good), having high level of groove noise either from playback with crude stylus, or vinyl material degradation. Tapes which I found in the batch I was writing above, are in very good condition. Only one was damaged to the point to through it out. I think that the end of good tape era was somewhere in mid 1960s. Also jazz and classical music seems to be recorded on tape much better than pop music of same time. So I do not propose blindly buy old tapes, but state that you can still found well recorded music on them, with sound quality exceeding vinyl of the same age.
As to the actual market value - I did not try to see anything yet and only made assessment based on Discogs data.
 
I have not used my turntable since I received an Otari BII!
I acquired BASF sm900 at $2.5 per spool and when recording music from FLAC files they sound noticably better and less rolled-off than the LP.
How are you using acetate tape? Every single acetate tape I've owned snapped, even on a Revox A77HS which is very gentle.
 
I've got a bunch of them, my old Sony 777 runs them with no complaints. Just make sure they don't smell like vinegar. If they do the acetate is breaking down and they get a lot more brittle at that point.
 
I have not used my turntable since I received an Otari BII!
I acquired BASF sm900 at $2.5 per spool and when recording music from FLAC files they sound noticably better and less rolled-off than the LP.
How are you using acetate tape? Every single acetate tape I've owned snapped, even on a Revox A77HS which is very gentle.

Old tape sometimes snaps at the very edge when I attach it to the reel. I found a routine to reduce this possibility. My Otari is BIII model, which uses microprocessor controlled transport. I do not know if it makes any serious difference is tape handling. A batch of old tapes I got were all in excellent condition, some never opened.
 
Maybe thats why mine behaves, I added leaders to everything. Most of my tapes came with none and i had some breakage issues. I figured it was from past damage since the ends were well-crumpled from being looped through the reels. A clean splice to some fresh leader with a good 2 inches of splicing tape seems to be working out OK.

The Sony is all mechanical, soft touch controls, but touching the buttons engages a solenoid with a fair bit of authority and away it goes.
 
I have found this to be true in many cases.
"Time Out" by Dave Brubeck is one example, in my opinion.
Also, "Workshop" by Chet Atkins.
hey, I just picked up a couple of Chet Atkins reels last weekend at a thrift shop. Haven't put them on the RtR yet but will have to this weekend.
 
How gentle would an Ampex 440 be? I saw one locally and will be picking it up, I hope I don't snag any more tape.
 
Using BASF take up reels with the long vertical line helps with crumpling. I've never used leader tape and just a short bend with the BASF reels helps most crumpling
 
How gentle would an Ampex 440 be? I saw one locally and will be picking it up, I hope I don't snag any more tape.

not too gentle. We used to run only 1.5 mil tapes on those machines. Same with the 300s and 350s. The best tape handlers were the Otari MTR-15 and studer A820s.
 
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