KEF 105 finally, thoughts and what next

Ohming

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When you live in Fly over County, it can be challenging to get that bucket list acquisition. But, I finally got a pair of KEF 105, original version, second crossover iteration it appears. My exposure to KEF had been the 104/2 and and 105/3, both of which had very short stay here after despite my best attempts at reasonable maintenance.

I bought the 105's sight unseen and a friend brought them home from a 900 mile trip. I read what threads I could regarding maintenance and upgrades, and formulated what I might do. I want to post my findings in hopes it will help other, and it is kinda frustrating when others dont. Not to bash the 105/3, but after owning them and gazing in wonderment at the complexity of the 22 caps in the xover and the uniQ design, I thought to myself: what were you guys thinking? Oh yeah, probobly focused of WAF and did thier darndest to stuff 20 lbs of fidelity into a 7 lb bag, didn't happen for me. But even a blind man could see the phenomenal build quality, material excellence and thought that went into them. So I wanted to aquire a pair of what set it all in motion, the original 105.
My original audition found the speakers to be just a little better than o.k. Based on all the testimonies I read, I felt assured they would get better. So, a list of a few things I have done over the last months.

Fixed a couple of caster that were tilting, common.

Replaced the hf fuse in 1 head, it was blown. That certainly helped.

Rotated woofers 180 degree for sag prevention, the woofers had no sag after being in the original orientation.

The foam was rotted on the top shelf of the bass cabinet, common. I installed a 1/2" layer of neoprene, noticable positive change. Will test with more / other foam.

The original bitumen sheets were rock hard, like basalt hard. So I added some over the existing. Added a touch of depth.

I decided to wait on the LF caps as they had no physical deformity and tested in spec, at least the capacitance.

The MF and HF I had to severely EQ to sound decent, so that was next. The caps were all original and only 1 was within 5%. One 2.2 measured at 49uf! So that explained it. For most of us, the most anxiety comes from that sometimes polarizing subject of cap selection. I read a lot of positive things about using the original make. I read a lot about the original "hand matched impedence paired" cap selection and designed esr values, and many who did post results from recapping with the same, stated little or no difference. Well, after the readings on my meters, do I want more of that? Nah, there have been marked improvements in components in 40 years, let's use em.
I have recapped maybe some 50 pair in the past, and results can vary. I used metalized ploy caps from a new favorite vendor I found and got them to fit!

Well, after 100 hours the difference is astonishing. In all of the recaps I have done, this pair has responded the most, and keep sounding better. Keepers now for sure. YMMV of course. I think this pair sat unused for a while, and the woofer surround is loosening up and I won't touch those caps because the mkp caps are just to big at 360uf.

Would like to continue with other improvements if any other travelers have thoughts.
 
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Purchased my KEF 105's as demos in 1980 and have been living with them since. It was the imaging and sound stage that blew me away. They do like a powerful amp, or more so they are hungry for current.

Blown HF fuse - accidental needle drop with a turntable? I think that was the last time I had a fuse blow. The fuse holders were occasionally intermittent and my fix was four individual alligator clips to clamp them down. No further problems.

I believe it's later versions of the 105's (.2 ?) that could develop woofer sag. Never did anything to mine in terms of rotation. However I wasn't impressed with the tiny wires from the head to plug into the LF cabinet since I was using some larger gauge cable so I ended up bi-wiring and snipping off the red/black cables. Also opened up the woofer and discovered they used thin wire from the banana plugs to the circuit board and to the woofers. Upgraded. Did it make a difference? Maybe a smidge back in the 80's when I had much more sensitive hearing.

Like your idea of replacing the rotting foam with neoprene (foam?). Might tackle that someday but for now I keep the speakers covered so it's out of sight, out of mind.

LF caps - glad the engineers installed them since I had a big power amp (VSP Labs TM 150) where one channel let loose and was putting out 40 VDC. All the KEFs did was give a "thump".

Mine have the first generation crossover and for insurance I picked up this cap set from Falcon Acoustics over in the UK:


Not sure if you came across these .pdf's for the 105's:

Owners - Installation manual: https://www.audioclassics.com/manual/105_OM.pdf

Brochure: https://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/KEF_105_speakers.pdf

For me personally in 5-7 years I'm going to be looking at downsizing the stereo including the KEF's and move into independent living at a senior place. Probably have to list them on Craigslist along with preamp, amp and turntable. Depending on the apartment down to a receiver with a small pair of KEF's and my CD player and collection.

But for now I'll keep enjoying mine and it sounds like you are as well.
 
Thanks for the input Bob. Will check out the links. Funny: I was talking with a friend who said the 105's hardly ever pop up for sale. I responded that I think the speakers tend to "stay in the family" because they are that good. Agreed, the imaging was surprisingly good. I found best results with the hf wh3n the tops are tilted up above my ear axis fwiw.

I would like to explore more British speakers, but they just don't come across my local listings very often. Would sure like some input from others as to which ones they feel might be similair to the 105 etc. Large cabs o.k. ( i am in the camp that you you need some volume to move air for better lows.)
 
I had never heard KEF speakers before. I have not been exposed to too many speakers. I bought some ADS l710s and loved them. Still do, but I went on AK and asked if there was a speaker that sounded better than the ADS. Rickb119 replied and said that he used to have the ADS l710s and he felt that the KEF 104.2s sound more full and he really liked them.
It so happened that a pair of KEF 105.1 speakers were listed locally for sale about a week later. I started reading up on them and felt it was worth going there to hear them. I brought an amplifier and some wires with me just in case there wasn’t one there. They were in a garage with nothing hooked up to them so I asked if I could hook them up to try them out. He said sure. Got them wired up and turned it on. One speaker was working and the other was not. I could tell right away that they were in a different league. The one that was working sounded so good. They were in very good shape physically so I told him that I really like them, but with one not working I couldn’t pay his asking price because I didn’t know what it would take to get the other working. I didn’t know anything about KEFs so I wasn’t sure if parts were even available. He asked how much would I be willing to pay for them? He wanted $600. I said the highest I’m willing to risk is $200. He said ok.
When I got them home I found a wire feeding the woofer broken at the connector and like stated before a fuse loose in the fuse holder. I started moonwalking across my garage floor.
It took a bit of persuasion to get my wife on board with putting them in the living room, but after hearing them she enjoys them as much as I do. I did make some new grills for them for the WAF. I also replaced all the capacitors which I got from Falcon Acoustics
It’s been a couple of years now and we listen to them everyday. We think they sound great. They are driven with a NAD 1155 preamp and NAD 2200PE amplifier.
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Hey Ellymay, those look stately placed there. Funny how some speakers sound better with the covers off or on. Was going to replace the original fabric on mine, as the material seems quite thick. But, its in stellar shape and I surprisingly found a better sound stage with the covers on, at least in my audio room. My covers are the full version that cover all drivers fwiw.
 
The original grills are wrapped and stored. They are perfect, but the wife doesn’t like them. So I made these just to get her to let me have the speakers in the house. She is more about the looks. I have gotten used to them. Oh well just thankful to have them. (and her) lol.
 
@Ellymay you got a steal on those!

@Ohming glad you are now liking your KEF's!
I have a fairly long history with KEF...well, sort of...going back to 2013 or so.
Found a pair of 103.2's in a pawn shop. Traded a Bose Wave Radio for them, plus $150. They didn't look like much, but brought them home, hooked them up, and was immediately blown away. Never heard anything sound so good!

I've played with PLENTY of other speakers over the years (including some legendary vintage models), but the KEF 107's and LS50's are what have stayed.
They just sound good to me.
Yes some other brands have done "this or that" better than the KEF's, but I like the KEF all-around performance.
I've not heard any defective KEF's...my 107's were fully-restored when I bought them. I'm glad yours responded well to restoration.
I have had to make a few small repairs over the years but well worth the time.

I still kind of can't believe it, but I turned down a chance to get a pair of the KM-1's at a reasonable price, but they weren't all-original...I think I was worried about sourcing parts, plus the enormous size.
If I ever come across 207's or Blades at the right price, I might take the plunge on those, though!
 
One of my biggest regrets was selling my 105.2's to a musician buddy who also owns a recording studio. While they sounded phenomenal at all levels and with all types of music, the single 12" just wasn't enough for my room size. Still miss them though :(
 
I remember reading about those way back when I first got into hifi. No internet, but we had Stereo Review, High Fidelity, and Audio magazines.

Too cool for words, those K.E.F. - enjoy!!
 
Fwiw to those interested, mkp caps will fit: barely!
 

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