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Sansui RS 3030 BC or Marantz TT 4000?

Sansui RS3030BC or Marantz TT4000

  • Sansui

    Votes: 2 66.7%
  • Marantz

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • NEITHER

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • BOTH

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    3

RyRy

New Member
Have acquired some extra tables, wifey not too happy about it. In the event that I must find a good home for the straw that broke the camel's back, I would appreciate any thoughts on keeping either a Sansui RS 3030 BC in good working condition or an equally working Marantz TT4000. Plus a side note, the Sansui came with a Shure M104E cartridge whereas the Marantz has what appears to be the factory cart/stylus; of course a new stylus is in order here.
 
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Anything with Marantz on it seems to get higher prices, so I'd sell it. Especially since it appears to be a grim plastic box and the Sansui is wood veneered with a stopped dustcover and looks grand. Either, or both, may sound surprisingly good, but I know which I'd want.
 
Thanks for your replies, i'm new to this community and appreciate the comments. Listening to them both, the Sansui sounds more crisp/full (with Shure cart) but there is a low hum that can be heard on the deadwax at the beginning/between tracks/end of an LP and somewhat during audio playback but not before stylus contacts record; thinking it may be the hum of the motor (belt drive) that might be isolated/reduced with some tinkering, but not sure it's worth the time to troubleshoot, im not trying to do a restoration.. Marantz no hum..
 
ryry, I had a similar hum problem with my sansui SR2050c. The following is what I had posted for another member who had experienced a similar hum problem:

OP, I had the same hum problem with my sansui 2050c as the hum would occur when the stylus hit the record. At first I just accepted it as rumble being transmitted from the platter bearings into the cartridge and that was just the limitation of the tt. Then found out that other users of this tt did not experience the issue so I investigated further.

I then noticed that when I start the platter (meaning the motor is spinning), I could feel a slight vibration in the cartridge headshell. So I figure the rubber motor mounts must be no longer supple due to the age of the tt and the motor vibration is somehow getting to the headshell. I then inspected the rubber motor mounts and found them to be fairly soft so I was puzzled with the cause of the vibration at the headshell.

I then noticed while flipping the tt upside down that the motor is not very secure as it has some play in the way it is mounted. At first I thought the motor mounts were broken and that is causing the play but upon further inspection I think that is the design of the tt. I think the motor floats a little on the rubber mounts.

So I flip the tt in its normal upright position and pull up on the motor belt shaft and sure enough there is some movement. I try to seat the motor as center as possible (kind of hard to describe this) and place on the belt and platter. Start the motor and the vibration in the headshell is gone. I then listen to a record and the hum problem is also gone.

My conclusion is that I think if the motor is not seated properly, the motor may be contacting some other part which then send vibrations to the cartridge headshell.

Hope this helps you in solving the hum problem as after I got rid of the hum, I am enjoying the tt much more.
 
Thanks for your replies, i'm new to this community and appreciate the comments. Listening to them both, the Sansui sounds more crisp/full (with Shure cart) but there is a low hum that can be heard on the deadwax at the beginning/between tracks/end of an LP and somewhat during audio playback but not before stylus contacts record; thinking it may be the hum of the motor (belt drive) that might be isolated/reduced with some tinkering, but not sure it's worth the time to troubleshoot, im not trying to do a restoration.. Marantz no hum..
That hum is the motor. The suspension rubbers have hardened over the years and are now transmitting the motor vibrations to the platter and on to the cartridge. The Marantz although it is made primarily of plastic is by far the best of the 2 turntables. It's direct drive and has a rumble measurement of -72 db a very respectable specification. It has auto return which the Sansui doesn't have. If you are interested in watching your turntable get the Sansui it's prettier. If you want to listen to the turntable get the Marantz. My sugestion is keep the Marantz and use the cartridge from the Sansui. You won't get more than $15 more if you sell it with that cartridge anyway. Whatever you chose enjoy listening to the music on your turntable.
 
The belt drive versus direct drive discussion can get heated, but both can be very good. Implementation is probably more important than type.
DDs tend to be less maintenance intensive until the electronics go, at which point they become significantly more complicated to deal with, whereas most belt drives just need the occasional part. Plastic box turntables of all sorts tend to be susceptible to feedback (not just gross howling, but a fuzziness from less obvious resonation), but the same could be said of the sprung top belt drives unless they have the advantage of substantial mass, which the Sansui might. The only way to tell if either table suffers from lack of isolation is to listen to both of them.
One possible factor is the type of cartridge you want to use, and, possibly, what sort of frequency balance you like. The Marantz has a lowish mass arm, whereas the Sansui has a higher mass arm. If you like high compliance cartridges, the Marantz arm is probably better, but if you like low compliance models, the Sansui will suit better. And often, more mass can result in weighty bass - of course it can be too weighty and sound leaden.
I disagree with Thunderbox's apparently sensible comment that looks don't matter if you listen to, not look at, your turntable. Turntables are more interactive than most other components, and looks and feel have a lot to do with how you feel about a table. Among other things, you probably can't use that table without looking at it. There are plenty of tables that sound fine that I can't stand the looks of, or how they feel or work, and won't have in the house. Tastes differ, but you almost certainly have feelings one way or the other - listen to those feelings.
 
Thanks ya'll for the comments on the TT's and for your experienced assessments of the issue with the Sansui. I've given a listen to a couple of different cart/table setups in my two listening areas having acquired the Shure cart, and based on your comments have taken the following actions.. Running the Shure cart from the Sansui on my main TT downstairs. Switched the Ortofon cart from main TT to office TT, which i have decided on keeping the Marantz. Cheers.
 
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