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Scary repair - 2285B dual-section caps failed

MatthewK

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I had previously re-capped the preamp and power amp in my '79 2285B receiver. I figured that one day the power supply caps would go, and I bought a few parts, but it seemed like a daunting job and I left it go for a couple of years.
However last week the left speaker began to buzz loudly, and after a brief period of worry that the output transistors had failed, I figured I might as well re-do the power supply caps, since I had the parts, and I would deal with any further problems when that was done.
Before I describe anything I did, DO NOT DO THIS YOURSELF UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO SAFELY DISCHARGE CAPACITORS and have worked with mains powered gear before. I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE TRY THIS, NOR DO I ACCEPT ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR HARM YOU MAY EXPERIENCE IF YOU IGNORE THIS ADVICE.
That said, I opened up the amp, and I saw brown soot on the bottom of one cap (on the right here):
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After discharging the caps (big spark and a snapping sound, glad I did), I unsoldered them:
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I cut them open gingerly with a hacksaw near the base (CAUTION, CONTENTS MAY BE TOXIC). There was a small cap encased in plastic, wrapped around with foil and paper soaked in electrolyte, which looked very heat affected in both:
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I had bought four of these compact computer-type electrolytics (Nichicon) of the same rating as the originals (I don't have the expertise to modify the design, and I love the 2285B sound, so I wouldn't use higher rated parts) although they are safe to 105C instead of 85C:
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Using the diagram on the side of the caps I worked out how to join pairs of caps to match the arrangement in the dual section caps. Basically - one positive terminal to the dual-section A terminal; the negative of that cap to the positive of the other, then to dual-section terminal B, and the remaining negative to terminal "-". I wired them up like this as a test rig and powered up the amp, which worked normally after a few anxious moments:
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(in this picture I joined the "B" terminal pairings across both pairs of capacitors [red wires], because they are soldered to the same metal plate in the amp).
Once I knew it worked, I taped the pairs of caps top-to-top (with insulating tape between in case they touched) to fit inside the dual-section cap cans I had emptied out. I then recreated the A-B-negative wiring. In these pics, the red wire goes to A, the brown wire joins the -ve of the top cap to the +ve of the bottom one, and then to the B terminal, and the black wire goes to the -ve terminal:
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I taped all around the solder joints with double layers, so that nothing would touch the inside of the can. I then drilled holes through the insulating base beside the large terminals (inside they were steel rivets I couldn't solder to) and passed the wires to the appropriate terminals, then soldered them. They then slipped inside the cans and I taped around the join:
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I put it back together, checked the DC offset and bias of the power amp channels (essentially completely unchanged) and cautiously played some music. It sounds exactly as it did before (I think) and seems completely normal - here's hoping I get 30 years out of these caps!
Hope this is helpful to anyone contemplating the same. I'm not sure about other suppliers but this link shows the capacitors I used at the Radio Spares Australia site. They are Nichicon part number LGU1J682MELC, $17 each, so $68 to fix the amp with four of them. Plus quite a few hours of messing around, I hope I can save somebody that time. IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT SAFELY!
 
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Cap stuffing with pictures. Nice work. Folks are going to like this project of saving the original look a unit with this trick.
 
I had measured it once, a couple of years ago before seeking out the replacements, but I can't remember now! There's probably 95-100mm of working height inside, once you scrape out the glue/wax-like material surrounding the outer cap section. It comes away cleanly from the metal can, pretty much - or at least it does, after 30 years of heating!
Blue Shadow - it certainly does look original, although I have replaced a lot of smaller electrolytics in it which look visibly different, so for me the chief benefit was everything fitting back into the same space. Although I figured out the test rig wiring (I found that harder than I expected, although I was very anxious about damaging the amp, so perhaps that clouded my thinking) it was much easier to make sure the pairs of caps matched up to the right terminals inside each cap, and then drop them back into place.
For reference - the dual section caps were connected to the amp as follows: the B terminals were soldered to the metal strip joining the two caps to the chassis, so they were earthed; the red wires from each set went to the A terminal of that cap, and the white wire pairs went to the "-" terminal. The code for each terminal is stamped at the base where it's crimped onto the can base ("A" is visible at front right of the first photo).
Thanks for the positive comments guys - after 5 days it is still going strong and I don't have to start wondering where I will find another 2285B!
In case anyone missed it - here are the re-capping shots of the same receiver:
Marantz 2285B - a tour
Happy to answer any questions (besides "why?", I answered that one for my wife after spending most of a day doing the job).
 
Well done! Still, I don't want to deal with those dual core filters anytime soon. Nice tutorial for those who want to try replacing those unobtainium filters.
 
Stuffed a Sansui 9000 15,000 mfd cap in a similar fashion except it was one of those NLA oval cans that initially had two 7,500 mfd section in parallel.
 
VERY nice job!!!! I tried that dual cap thing with a tube amp once. Not as easy as it looks. I love that feeling, like you're shooting craps for your stereo or something, when you turn on that amp with those wires hanging out. You want to have some fun? Try it with a tube amp that is running 600VDC. You can taste the anxiety - Dang I love this hobby at times.

charles
 
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So...the stock cap must be about 100mm in height? Been too long and I'm not sure if I measured it.

Yes, its is exactly 100mm in height.

Mine was recently refurbished by a local technician whose mod of the main caps is similar to that invented by you.
 

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I remember your 2285B Leo - one of the most beautifully clean and well-maintained examples I have seen. I still have the service manual you kindly sent me back in 2006.
 
I remember your 2285B Leo - one of the most beautifully clean and well-maintained examples I have seen. I still have the service manual you kindly sent me back in 2006.
And I also remember you taught me how to adjust the bias current.
Really appreciate your kind help.
 
Excellent info on repairing dual core caps.................would this procedure work on my 2500? According to the scats, the connection wiring looks very similar....can a guru confirm.....thanks.
 
A year and a half later it is still working perfectly. There's nothing unusual about the caps in a dual core cap, just a space saving method I suppose. Certainly no hint of hum or loss in sound quality.
The diagram on the side shows how the caps ought to be connected - if you match the capacity and match or exceed the voltage and thermal rating you will be fine. I'm not an expert though and I found the repair quite frightening to do.
 
Ok....that sounds good................your method seems very do-able and quite nice. I would like to keep the original appearance.............when I have my unit opened up, I'll give it a close look..............

My caps are 7200uf/100v.........IF they need changing, I'll put in 8200uf/100v caps...........2 in each can....................
 
If you don't care about the appearance, would it be feasible to just replace them with 15,000uF caps?
 
Are the original Caps 'dual core'? Is that why there are 3 posts?
I'm not sure I am understanding this. All capacitors I've ever worked with have only 2 leads - a positive and a negative. Are these caps actually 2 caps?
 
Are the original Caps 'dual core'? Is that why there are 3 posts?
I'm not sure I am understanding this. All capacitors I've ever worked with have only 2 leads - a positive and a negative. Are these caps actually 2 caps?

Yes they are. Those 'Dual Core' have one core with positive post with negative side attached to the common and the other core has negative post with positive side attached to common as having 2 capacitors in series with common normally attached to ground. Not to be confused with multisection capacitors with all negative to common (ground) used in tube amplifiers and some solid state. That's why you would only need one physical "can" per channel instead of two.
 
I have actually thought about that....just replace the dual core caps with 'normal' 15000uf caps.........I wonder if this method is do-able? Would this change the operation/sound of the unit? I wonder.................

Otherwise, I think Mathewk's method is excellent.....keep the old cans and stuff with 2 caps wired in series............
 
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