Pioneer SX-1980 - 10k lol

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Snow said:
If you want a Pioneer receiver for the sound get a SX-1010 it absolutely makes the SX-1980 sound awful .

Regards Snow
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Or, get the SX-828. It sounds considerably better than my SX-1250 and SX-1280 which I sold long ago.
I would have to believe the SX-828 would also sound better than the SX-1980.
 
Least you might actually be able to buy that one. The one for $300 that shows up on CL all around the country, available to be heard (but you can't arrange that) and he'll ship is never seen by all those 'Lucky' buyers that fell for the PayPal friends money scam.
 
Blue Shadow said:
Least you might actually be able to buy that one. The one for $300 that shows up on CL all around the country, available to be heard (but you can't arrange that) and he'll ship is never seen by all those 'Lucky' buyers that fell for the PayPal friends money scam.
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I have not seen that (seller*) list a 1980.
He does list an SX 1080, and a SX 1250.

*The only thing he sells is empty promises.
 
Meh. I'd say buy an SX-828 as already posted upthread, if you want an excellent Pioneer receiver. I say this as a life long Sansui fan who just happens to own an SX-828, and thinks it is outstanding. The 1010 is nice also, but has gotten a touch too pricey of late. Besides, I never did much care for that row of skinny push buttons beneath the dial scale on the 1010.

Aside from that, I'll not bother with a long dissertation in yet another runaway price thread. I've already made my observations and thoughts clear on the subject, only to draw indignant responses from those, who in their eternal optimism, go on insisting that prices will go up forever. Because reasons.

I'll see what things look like in another year - maybe less - and let the observable trend speak for itself. Should be good for a chuckle.
 
My SX 5590 sounds pretty darn good in my secondary system. That said, I know pricing has gone way up, but if someone is willing to pay the premium, who am I to judge…
 
No price point is surprising to me any more and frankly sellers can ask whatever they want. I pay far more attention to the final sale price. Sometimes a surprise, other time no. The surprise to me is the speed of the accelerated pricing. Seems they are moving up faster with little to no time to stabilize anywhere.
 
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"...Seems they are moving up faster with little to no time to stabilize anywhere." And there it is: the classic bubble effect.

We've seen it in stock markets, housing, any number of other collectibles. And we all know bubbles go on forever, right? Sure they can go on a very long time, but eventually reality reasserts itself and the mania runs out of steam. And when it does there will be a chorus of "what happened? No one could've seen this coming!"

Being that we've lived through serial bubbles for the past 30 years, and had spectacular crashes of same in 2000 and 2007-8, it might be expected the memory would remain fresh enough not to fall into the trap again. But I guess not.
 
I'd say so, the indicators are all there. I just find the psychology of the whole thing interesting. There is at least some superficial recognition of the fact pricing has ramped up at such an astounding rate. Why else are there multiple threads being posted questioning why, and even making light of it? But then hardly anyone wants to scratch the surface enough to analyze why, or admit that the present trajectory is unsustainable, especially with major pricing pressure being applied elsewhere.

It's almost like a dirty little secret that is too uncomfortable to be discussed openly, and that "foresight" is a bad word. Holding to a contrarian viewpoint in the midst of such a trend isn't popular, but I do it despite the naysaying. I guess there is really no point other than to document the effect, because the herd will run as it wishes until it changes direction. That behavioral pattern has been well established, and is a large part of why bubbles happen to begin with.

That all being said, people may spend their money however they wish, within the limits of avaiable funds; I certainly do. But there is this curious sort of dismissiveness and indignation that crops up if anyone should dare question why prices are going so high so fast, and even moreso at the suggestion they won't stay that way. Draw your own conclusions about what drives that behavior.
 
Sansuiman said:
Meh. I'd say buy an SX-828 as already posted upthread, if you want an excellent Pioneer receiver. I say this as a life long Sansui fan who just happens to own an SX-828, and thinks it is outstanding. The 1010 is nice also, but has gotten a touch too pricey of late. Besides, I never did much care for that row of skinny push buttons beneath the dial scale on the 1010.

Aside from that, I'll not bother with a long dissertation in yet another runaway price thread. I've already made my observations and thoughts clear on the subject, only to draw indignant responses from those, who in their eternal optimism, go on insisting that prices will go up forever. Because reasons.

I'll see what things look like in another year - maybe less - and let the observable trend speak for itself. Should be good for a chuckle.
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Sansuiman said:
"...Seems they are moving up faster with little to no time to stabilize anywhere." And there it is: the classic bubble effect.

We've seen it in stock markets, housing, any number of other collectibles. And we all know bubbles go on forever, right? Sure they can go on a very long time, but eventually reality reasserts itself and the mania runs out of steam. And when it does there will be a chorus of "what happened? No one could've seen this coming!"

Being that we've lived through serial bubbles for the past 30 years, and had spectacular crashes of same in 2000 and 2007-8, it might be expected the memory would remain fresh enough not to fall into the trap again. But I guess not.
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Sansuiman said:
I'd say so, the indicators are all there. I just find the psychology of the whole thing interesting. There is at least some superficial recognition of the fact pricing has ramped up at such an astounding rate. Why else are there multiple threads being posted questioning why, and even making light of it? But then hardly anyone wants to scratch the surface enough to analyze why, or admit that the present trajectory is unsustainable, especially with major pricing pressure being applied elsewhere.

It's almost like a dirty little secret that is too uncomfortable to be discussed openly, and that "foresight" is a bad word. Holding to a contrarian viewpoint in the midst of such a trend isn't popular, but I do it despite the naysaying. I guess there is really no point other than to document the effect, because the herd will run as it wishes until it changes direction. That behavioral pattern has been well established, and is a large part of why bubbles happen to begin with.

That all being said, people may spend their money however they wish, within the limits of avaiable funds; I certainly do. But there is this curious sort of dismissiveness and indignation that crops up if anyone should dare question why prices are going so high so fast, and even moreso at the suggestion they won't stay that way. Draw your own conclusions about what drives that behavior.
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Good old Abe had it right Better to remain silent and thought a fool then open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

A simple look back should tell the real story, people have been saying the prices of these monster receivers have peaked and will surely fall for many years it has not happened yet this is nothing new.

The cost of Receivers going up is not like beanie babies or the stock market anyone who thinks this is delusional, take a look at classic cars has the bubble burst on them to the point they are only worth a few k? No it has not. Sure they have gone up and down in price like any other collectible but they remain very much in demand and Collectible and valuable just like these receivers will.
 
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Observes recurring pattern. Speaks of observed pattern. Draws ire for speaking of observed pattern by being characterized as a fool for daring to speak of observed pattern, with bonus snappy quotation. (You are here) Pattern plays out as expected anyway. Thus endeth the demonstration.

Carry on, I'll not challenge delicate sensibiities any further.
 
Sansuiman said:
Observes recurring pattern. Speaks of observed pattern. Draws ire for speaking of observed pattern by being characterized as a fool for daring to speak of observed pattern, with bonus snappy quotation. (You are here) Pattern plays out as expected anyway. Thus endeth the demonstration.

Carry on, I'll not challenge delicate sensibiities any further.
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You offer speculation. I offer proof of past history. I see no reason for human behavior to change over night. You said you felt in a year the bubble would burst and prices would dramatically drop care for a friendly wager?

( I'll see what things look like in another year - maybe less - and let the observable trend speak for itself. Should be good for a chuckle.)

How about I send you $500.00 a year from now if prices have dropped by 50% on SX-1980's and you send me $500.00 in a year if prices have risen by 25% we just have to agree on a median price if you decide to accept.
 
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Vintage hi-fi equipment has never experience a bubble before. It's true that over the past 20 (or so) years, prices have increased. Often, far more than anyone expected them to. However, never before have prices increased, at such a parabolic rate, as they have in the past few years.

I too believe that we are in a bubble. Will the price of a SX-1980 drop 50%? Maybe, maybe not. It is, after all, the holy grail (to some) of the vintage Pioneer receivers. And, even during the depression, those with money were still buying fancy cars, homes, yachts, etc. The 1980 (and other TOTL equipment) may fair better than others. But the bubble will burst and bring prices down. How much, and for how long, is anyone's guess.
 
Snow said:
You offer speculation. I offer proof of past history. .
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Hi Dan . Hope you’re doing better.

So can I and I will give you a brief list:
ALL of these were restored. Fully.
(2) 1010s .
Sx 680
Sx 750
Sx 780
SX 828
STA 65
Kenwood 8050
All of these were going unused , ( rotation wasn’t good enough) . On none of these did I make much of a profit. Tops was maybe 40.00. As an example, the 780 ( which I paid 35 for) was the finest looking one you will ever see. There was an issue and I had to have it fixed. But Chris won’t do fixes. He does complete overhauls because he doesn’t want to see them again. So, 425.00 later I had a really new 780. Tried selling it here for that price. Failed. eBay finally got it and it went for 475.00 I lost money. The 1010s ? Never made as much as a dime . A thousand on one and 950 on another.

I’ve lamented this before. I used to not mind buying these units , but I won’t any more. I have a few remaining , though and they will stay. I have 950 into an sx 850 which is probably my best receiver ( I had the transistors replaced twice, besides everything else done on it) . Would I get more now ? Hardly. His scope read 94 wpc . It’s an amazing unit. Yet I never purchased them thinking I’ll make a profit. And I haven’t.
 
Sharpstik said:
Hi Dan . Hope you’re doing better.

So can I and I will give you a brief list:
ALL of these were restored. Fully.
(2) 1010s .
Sx 680
Sx 750
Sx 780
SX 828
STA 65
Kenwood 8050
All of these were going unused , ( rotation wasn’t good enough) . On none of these did I make much of a profit. Tops was maybe 40.00. As an example, the 780 ( which I paid 35 for) was the finest looking one you will ever see. There was an issue and I had to have it fixed. But Chris won’t do fixes. He does complete overhauls because he doesn’t want to see them again. So, 425.00 later I had a really new 780. Tried selling it here for that price. Failed. eBay finally got it and it went for 475.00 I lost money. The 1010s ? Never made as much as a dime . A thousand on one and 950 on another.

I’ve lamented this before. I used to not mind buying these units , but I won’t any more. I have a few remaining , though and they will stay. I have 950 into an sx 850 which is probably my best receiver ( I had the transistors replaced twice, besides everything else done on it) . Would I get more now ? Hardly. His scope read 94 wpc . It’s an amazing unit. Yet I never purchased them thinking I’ll make a profit. And I haven’t.
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So what is the point your trying to make? That not everyone makes money on these or what? Like cars I suppose few people actually make money restoring them perhaps it is the same way with receivers, I think for anything less then the TOTL units of every brand they would have to be bought cheaply then one would have to hang onto them for a number of years before they will make a profit is my guess.

I try and buy receivers cheaply enough working or not working that I can make a profit and do not restore them or have them restored, I have an SX-780 sitting here I paid $10.00 for I will hang onto it till the prices get high enough that people are willing to pay shipping from Alaska on it. I had 2 SX-1010's I paid $10.00 each for them and sold them years go now for a couple of hundred each. My 2 SX-1980's I had I paid $200.00 for one and $220..00 for the other both I made a profit on of course I wish I still had them because the profit would be much more.

Regards Snow
 
Well all I can add is what I have gleaned by watching the Antiques Roadshow.
Things of quality, rarity and beauty rarely go down in price. They may fluctuate some and will, but overtime they go up.
With the economy going down the old gurgler prices will probably drop but they will come back, just a matter of time.
 
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